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Saturday, August 9, 2014

The Overnight Report

Good morning, BB Lovers!  Happy Saturday to you!  It's PoV Day in the Big Brother 16 house, and like every PoV moving forward, it's a big one..

If you went to bed before 1am eastern, or you were out and about last night, go immediately to BoB Spoiler and Aftermath post.  I've read it 3 times now AND watched the flashback on the live feeds..  The reaction to Frankie's revelations are priceless, and Lessa's coverage is a thing of beauty!

"It's Frankie's funeral.  I buried the Frankie you know, and standing before you is @FrankieJGrande."

If you haven't gotten the feeds yet this season, it's well worth the price of the 2 day FREE trial to gettem and check this out for yourself. ;-) Plus - this season just frikkin' rocks, and you should be watching it all on the feeds anyway. 'Nuff said.

For today's Overnight Report, I'm covering everything important, but personally, I'm really on Zach watch.. or Zankie watch, as it were. Zach was the only male HG to not hug it out with Frankie.  He was too butt hurt.. I get it.

From my point of view, Zach's been internally struggling with his where-the-hell-did-these-come-from-feelings for Frankie the whole season. But, he has stopped exclaiming "I hate Frankie" with every other breath, and has even said he loves him a few times.. but not TO him.  So, I'm on Zankie watch, even more than usual.

End of Have Nots
Camera 3

Caleb: The football thing we get to go on?  It's gonna be nuts.
**There was a prize for winning the BoB - It sounds like Frankie, Christine and Caleb get to go to a football game.
Derrick: Outside the house.
Caleb: Outside the house.
Derrick: Even the football players will probably be instructed not to say anything to you, if they watch the show.
Frankie: It was slightly draining.. All the running and the pulling and the..
Caleb: It says 12:00, Frankie..
Frankie: Yay! Cheers!

Upstairs in HoH, Christine is alone in bed, sniffling a bit.

Nicole and Victoria are in the bathroom On Camera 1 and 2..

Nicole: Just know that I do love you, and anything I've said in the DR..  it's not anything.
Victoria: Don't worry.. It's fine. 

Camera 1
Christine and Nicole
HoH Room

Nicole: Let's just start keeping things between us?  Not even Cody.
Christine: I don't tell Cody anything anymore.

Nicole: The thought that Caleb wanted to throw that comp and now they're best friends again?  And knowing that Frankie's famous, and I'm sitting here putting him on blast?  It makes me feel like poop, but at the same time, it shouldn't matter who you are.  You were playing a very dirty game, and I called you out on it, and I'm sorry that you had fans before this, but I am gonna continue to play my game.  I could very well surrender, but I'm not..
Christine: We're screwed.  I pray that Donny wins the Veto..  Because if Donny wins the Veto, Victoria goes up, you, Frankie and Donny vote out Zach, and I'm the tie breaker.  That would be perfect.
Nicole: (couldn't hear)
Christine: I don't trust that Victoria would vote the way we want her to.  She's gonna do whatever the hguys want.
Nicole: Yeah.

Christine: Unless... Now that Frankie is..
Nicole: Ariana Grande's brotherrr..
Christine: Do you think he'd have some pull with her? 
Nicole: Probably.. I don't know, Christine.
Christine: Damn.. I want Donny to win so bad.

Nicole: Just, please don't put me up as your replacement nominee.
Christine: I promise I wont.  Don't even worry about it. I promise.
Nicole: Please, do not.  Cuz I would not have done that to you.
**actually, putting Christine up as the ReNom was Nicole's plan from the get-go.

Nicole: And we already promised each other, but I just, please don't  blindside me like that, and if you are going to?  Tell me.  I've been blindsided so much these past few days, I feel sick.  I have nobody.. That's why I feel they're gonna try to get you to put me up.  I wanna work with you moving forward, and the only way we can do that is with a clean slate.
Christine: Derrick and Cody played us so hard. Oh my God.. Zach could come back.. But there's no way Zach could beat Hayden in anything.
Nicole: And we don't even know if there's a buy back.. (an HG from the jury pool returning)

Christine: Nicole, we can do this.  Eff them.  If we get Zach out, then Derrick and Cody are completely alone.
Nicole: yeah..
Christine: Except for, they have Caleb.
Nicole: I don't know where I stand with Frankie, and if I have to work with him, I will, but do you understand why I don't trust him?  He has been playing everyone like a fiddle.
Christine: We don't know the new Frankie.. It would be like playing with an all new player.  To be honest, I feel totally uncomfortable around him now..
Nicole: Now it's like, "I'm famous..
Christine: I don't care who his sister is. 

And we're moving forward into the night..

Camera 3

***Kiss you where, Cody?

***Aww.  ok.. if you insist.

Camera 1
Frankie and Christine

Christine: Are they mad that I put Zach up?
Frankie: I think they're afraid you're gonna backdoor Cody.
Christine: No, I'm gonna vote Zach out.  That's what's gonna happen.
Christine:  Is Zach gonna go home?
Frankie: I don't know.
Christine: Cuz I need him to go home.

Frankie: I know.  I need him to go home too.
Christine: In a perfect world, Donny wins the Veto, I put up Victoria..
Frankie: Perfect.
Christine: Donny, You, Nicole vote Zach out.  I'm the tie breaker. 

Frankie: He dug himself such a grave today.
Christine: Oh my God.
Frankie: His behavior..
Christine: Why are Cody and Derrick acting weird toward me after Zach's blowup?  They're hanging out with him..
Frankie: That's what they were doing to me all day!

Frankie starts nudging toward getting Christine to want to put Nicole up as the ReNom, telling her that if she blames everything on Nicole, the guys will think they can trust her again..  Then he goes in for the kill..

Living Room

Cody: Will you come cuddle with me?
Cody: Hayden's not here anymore. We haven't cuddled in ages. This is ridiculous.  You need someone to cuddle with.. I need someone to cuddle with.. 
Nicole: Codyyyyy..
*** ♫--If you can't beeee with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with..

Nicole: Ok, but let's talk first.  I totally wanna cuddle you though.

Cam 1 and 2
HoH - Frankie and Christine

Following through on his promise to the guys to try to get Christine to put Nicole up as the Renom, Frankie gets to work... Keep in mind, he has til Monday, really..  And PoV hasn't been played yet..

Frankie: She says everything to the guys. She says everything that you say, and she says everything I say.  So we just can't talk to her anymore.
Christine: Great.
Frankie: She is a huge liability.
Christine: I need to deal with her, not to backdoor her, although she did give me Donny..
Frankie: Yeah, but she took me!

Camera 3
Cody and Nicole
Rock Room

Nicole: I'm probably being portrayed as the villain, because I don't take shit from anyone.  I hope they don't show me looking into your eyes, saying I'll never trust you again.
Cody: They're gonna show it.. I got asked about it.
Nicole: That was a vicious look I gave you.  I'm sorry.

Victoria comes through, very upset, Nicole goes to see her in the bathroom.. Victoria is crying but says she's just stressed.

Nicole: Don't be stressed Vitoria. We have each other. Look at me.  I have your back. 

They move into the Beehive..

Nicole: Honestly, I want Zach in this game, but not if it comes down to you and him.  We have to just keep the target on his back right now.  You and I are fine!

Camera 1 and 2
Have Not Room
Zach and Cody

Zach: I don't know, bro.
Cody: Well, you're not gonna get any pity from me.  Stop feelin' f'in sorry for yourself.
Zach: He f*cked me..
Cody: Ok.. He wanted you out of the house..
Zach: But he flipped the script.
Cody: On who?
Zach: On everyone!

Cody: On who?!  On who, bro?
Zach: I just hope I win Veto.. 
Cody: You're not going f'ing home, even if you don't win the Veto.

Frankie comes in.. He offers to leave, and Cody tells him no need.

Cody: It's gonna be a tough situation.. We're probably gonna sit next to each other.
Frankie: You're not sitting next to each other.
Cody: It's gonna be a shitty situation.
Frankie: You're not sitting next to each other.  I just had a good conversation with Christine.  I told her about what um Nicole's been saying, which apparently she's also been lying when it comes to Christine..  She's really pissed, and (whispers) I think I can get her to backdoor her.  She's on the fence.. She's on the verge of that right now.
Cody: Oh God.. Did you say stuff that I said?
Frankie: no. I just said that she's been lying about stuff that I said.

This is ongoing, much like the night.  We're moving forward..

Papa Derrick is comforting baby girl Victoria on 3 and 4..

Cody's with Zach on 1 and 2

Cody: I don't give a f*ck about that right now.  I care about you staying.
Zach: I know, but it's not looking good.
Cody: Yes it is.
Zach: I have to win the Veto. Because, if Christine wins the Veto, what is she doing?
Cody: (shakes his head)  That's why I wanna make sure I'm on her good side, because if I sit there next to you, then I will blow up in a worse way than..
Zach: Dude.. (puts his head down)
Cody: ..you could have ever imagined.

Zach: Dude..
Cody: Cuz like, today? I started to get so heated.. I was like..

Cody: "You didn't want me to stay!"  And  was like, dude, you need to pull it back.. we're not outside of the f'in house.
Zach: Dude, that's nothing compared to what I did.
Cody:  Yeah, but like, I just never wanna get to that point in here.
Zach: I was literally, like, cursing Christine out.

**C'mon Skippy, just give me one close up of Zach to use.  Or at least go a skopsh wider so I can get Cody's million dollar tush in the frame.

Cody: Oh yeah, dude, you gotta dial back on that.  I don't think your mom's gonna like that, bro.
Zach: Obviously not.
Cody: Yeah, so don't f'in do it. Like, I love the whole character that you are, cuz i think it's hilarious..
Zach: That's me, bro.
Cody: ..but you don't need to curse.  Every time.  Like "f*cking" comes out of your mouth every time, and it probably ruins the shot.  Can you imagine how sick it would be if they never had to bleep you?
**you're kidding, right, Cody? I guarantee you drop more f bombs than anyone in the house.
Zach:  Yeah, but I..
Cody: You don't have to explain it.  Spur of the moment.  I get it.  I curse worse than a sailor.
**mm hmm
Zach: Dude.. I curse so much, I can't help it.  I just like cursing.  I'm a very intense person, and it makes shit more intense when you say the f word.
Cody: I love it.  Don't f'in explain to me.

Zach: We're gonna need a miracle to get through this week.
Cody: No.  We're not.
Zach: I mean, if I win the Veto, we're golden.
Cody: Not really.. cuz what if you come off and I go up?
Zach: Then Donny goes home.
Cody:  That's what I'm saying.. Even if you don't win the Veto.. You just gotta gun it.

Cody: Honestly, mend it with Frankie. 
Zach: (deep breath)
Cody: Just a little.  I know you don't want to.
Zach: He tried to get me out of the house last week.

Right on cue..  Frankie passes through..

Frankie: Night boys.
Cody: Night buddy. Love you.
Frankie: See you tomorrow.
** :-( booo.. no Zankie snugs tonight.. Oh well, the Z half isn't ready by a long shot.

Zach: He tried to get me out of the house last week.
Cody: Just because you got played like a little bitch doesn't mean you need to sulk about it.  You shoulda f'in known when you had someone like me ___ in week 2. You were laughin' at him behind his back..
Zach:  I know.. and I deserve to go home.
Cody:  Why are you mad at him?
Zach: Cuz I don't understand what his reason was to..

Derrick enters the room..

Cody:  Well what was your reason to do it to me or him?
Zach: I didn't do anything..
Cody: You were doin' the same f'in thing he was doin' to you.

After asking permission, Derrick joins them..

Zach: Technically, yes.  I'm not gonna deny it.
Cody: Yeah, so don't f'in be a little bitch about it.  You don't see me n him sulking.
Zach: But.. But..
**butt hurt.

Zach:  But I didn't go behind one of your guys' back and try to get you out.  Know what I mean?  Dude, just cuz I had a final 3 deal with them and I had a final 3 deal with you guys, and I told Frankie I had a final 2 with him, doesn't mean I went behind your guys' back and tried to get you out.  I had a f'in good game plan goin', and I was lettin' it ride. It was gonna work.
Cody: It wasn't gonna work.  You were losin' face with me so f'in fast.  I been sayin' to to him for a while.
Zach: Well..
Cody: I was like, I'm callin' this kid for what it is now..

Zach: Alright, well you're smarter than me. Frankie's smarter than me..
Cody: I still had your back
Zach: ..and I got f*cked.  I know you guys have my back.  You guys have saved me twice already.  But, the fact of the matter is, ya know, it's just not looking good.. for me.  I can only speak for myself. Obviously, you guys want me to stay for your guys' game too, and.. we need a miracle.
Derrick: Why do we need a miracle?

Zach: I don't now..
Cody: Us 3 need to be careful, because you were trying to play the whole final 3, final 3, so now everybody knows about it.  So now, if anyone's sitting next to one of us 3, we're goin' home.

Zach: You guys do what you need to do.  If you need to throw me under the bus, do it..  I don't care at this point.

Moving ahead a few minutes.. to 1:21am..  Caleb has now joined them.. Derrick counts votes and tells Zach he will stay over Donny with their votes and Victoria's..

Caleb: Frankie told me, "if Zach doesn't come around and talk to me like a man, why would I want to keep him here, but at the end of the day, I don't want Zach gone.  I've wanted Donny gone for a long time.  So, I'm gonna vote to keep Zach here."
Zach: But he was plotting to get me out last week..

Zach keeps coming back to that, and the guys have had enough of it..  It's time to move on to bigger things.  Derrick tells Cody, Caleb and Zach that it may be a good idea to let Christine know that Nicole had planned to backdoor her.

Camera 3
Cody and Christine

Christine tells Cody that Frankie's sleeping up there with her.. Cody pulls her down for a snuggle.

Christine: I don't want you to worry that he's sleeping up here, because I don't listen to anything that comes out of his mouth... ever again.
Cody: You're such a liar!
Christine: What do you mean?!
Cody: I'm just kidding.
Christine: I didn't even speak to him today..
Cody: Is he up here?
Christine: No, He's in the DR.  That's why I'm talkin' to you.
Cody: Oh.  You're such a liar.
Christine: What am I a liar about:?  You're such a turd.

Christine: I love you, Cody.
 **Skippy goes in close on her wedding pic.

Christine: You wanna make a pinkie promise with me?
Cody: Pinkie promise that you love me?
Christine: Pinkie promise that I'm not going to backdoor you.  Stop worrying.

And we're moving forward..

Camera 3
Derrick and Nicole

Nicole's very worried Christine is going to put her up as a ReNom, even though she promised she wouldn't... likely because that was Nicole's plan for the week too.  Derrick calms her, and advises her to be nice to Caleb, just in case, because he'd rather vote out Donny than her, at this point.

Talk turns to Frankie's revelation to the HGs tonight, and they get into the game mechanics and value of it..

Derrick: If I got caught in the situation that Frank got caught in.. On any of the past 15 seasons of Big Brother, I would not be going home this week because I won the Veto, but I'd be re-targeted every week.  This was a great decision by Frankie, and I respect it.  He knew that he had lost the house's trust.  And what other card did he have but to say, "Listen, I have the support of millions of people," and it creates a level of fear.

Nicole: But it sucks!  I don't want anyone to be afraid of him.  If I'm still here next week, I'm going after him again.
Derrick: Well, I'm just telling you, that this is a game, and..
Nicole: Ok.. Well this game sucks right now.
Derrick: I'd be lying to you and everyone watching if I didn't say that honestly, I feel  a little bit slighted, and these are the reasons.. I feel slighted because, although Elissa played in this game and had the support of the Brenchel Army, there's..
Nicole:  We stand no chance for America's Favorite.
Derrick: .Done.  That's already done.  You know that.
Nicole: Oh yeah. No chance whatsoever.  So that's 25 grand in his pocket.
Derrick: He's here.. He's gonna donate the whole thing to charity.. So any type of America's twist, they're gonna give it to him.   I didn't come here for fame or the tv show.  I didn't come here for that.  I don't think you did either.
Nicole: Not at all.
Derrick: Bottom line is, we're fans of the show first.. We both wanted to be here and try to win an amount of money that we wouldn't make for a very long time. That's why we're here.  Unfortunately not everyone is here for that same reason. And I can't promise you that one of us is gonna win it.  You know better than I do.. The best players don't always win.
Nicole: Look at last year.  3 floaters made it to the final 3.
Derrick: Sometimes it's just luck.  But.. I will say in his defense.. He said it himself, "Here's my Dan's Funeral Speech."  It was a great decision by him.  It really really was. And I gotta respect it.  He saw..
Nicole: But I don't think people should forgive him for what he did.
**which is exactly the same thing Derrick and Cody did, only Hayden and you didn't call them out about it.
Derrick: I would concur with that, but what I'm saying is in his defense, it was a great move by him, and it's up to the house to decide whether that gives him a free pass in this game.  That's really it.  I can tell you one thing.. There's only 4 people..
Nicole: That's why I'm upset.  It's me, you, Victoria, Cody.
Derrick: Correct.
Nicole: And I'm just scared because I heard that Christine said she's the only girl who could win this game.. So I don't think she would keep me.  And say I'm up against Zach.. I don't have the votes to stay in this house if I'm against him.

You get the gist.. And it's time to bring this Overnight Report to a close.. Let's join Cody and Derrick as Derrick shares his musings on an ideal final 4 for them..

Camera 1
Cody and Derrick
Kitchen Counter

Derrick; Know what I would like to see in a perfect world?  Me, You, Caleb, Victoria.
Cody: Yeah, that'd be nice.
Derrick: Vote Caleb out first, cuz he can always win another comp.. 
Cody: Yeah
Derrick: And then vote Victoria out, whoever wins the (final 3 hoh) comp.
***It's been clear to me that this is what Derrick has been grooming and nurturing the relationship with Victoria for since the get go..  In the event she wins the F3 HoH.. I don't know if he'd throw it to her.. He's just chosen now to share it with Cody.

Derrick: I take you or you take me.. and we do it.
Cody: Yeah.  She would never beat us.
Derrick: She would never beat us.
Cody: Oh it's a wonderful game we play.
Derrick: Our luck, she would win the comp, take either you or me, then come out and start talking perfectly good English and be like, "I'm actually a PhD.. It was all strategy."

They continue talking, mostly about Frankie's revelation this evening... then about liars in the game.

Derrick: I think the only ones who tell the truth on that board are Victoria, cuz she doesn't know how to lie, and Caleb.  That's it.

And this concludes the Overnight Report!  See you when BB wakes the HGs.  On today's agenda -  PoV Player Picking, The Power of Veto Competition, and hopefully.. movement on the Zankie front.. Here's my ideal world scenario:  Frankie gets picked to play in the PoV, wins, and like a night in sparkly Zankie armor, he rescues his hurting prince from the block. The End.



Blogger Mike said...

Thanks for the dish
Are you still team Zankie?

August 9, 2014 at 3:19 AM  
Blogger Ryder said...

There are so many things that I like about this season but I'm cranky today and all I can think of are the things I don't like this year. So I made a list and in no particular order here it is:

Part 1

1.) So called "Superfans". I resent calling these people Superfans when they have only seen some episodes on TV. All of us know that anyone who only sees some TV edits really doesn't have any idea what is going on in the house. Chris claims to have watched the feeds but every time someone asks her a question she either doesn't know or gets it wrong. Derrick is the only one who has watched the feeds (as far as I can tell) and generally knows the correct answers. But not even Derrick is a true superfan....to my knowledge, he's never read Carolyn's blog! How could anyone be a superfans and not know this site!?!

2.) The language. I love you! I love you, too! Stop saying that you love someone that you don't know and or don't even like. Once it started there was no stopping it. Quite frankly, with that being said, at the end of the day, it is what it is...100%...does that make sense???

3.) Religion. Yep it bugs me. Some have called it vacation bible school but whatever you want to call it I don't think it belongs so prominently in the BB house. I have nothing against any religion or lack there of, but I don't think BB needs to have it so front and center. It should be a private issue in the house as it has been in previous years. I also think that the memorial service should have been held privately with the houseguests told that the feeds would be cut and it would not appear on TV. Then there would have been no need for costumes and makeup and they could really have a heart felt memorial and receive the emotional support they needed.

4.) The lack of female gamers. This years cast of women is very disappointing. There isn't a single strong female with the confidence to create an alliance or to make a big move. Last year we had 2 and they chewed each other up. This year we have none and the guys are chewing them up and spiting them out one by one. Just once I'd like to see some females do what the guys do almost every year.

5.) Special treatment of "celebrity" houseguests. We saw this last year with Rachel's sister and now we have someone else's sister. Big Brother did something unprecedented this year after Frankie's gramps died. They gave him a dedicated camera on the feeds and uninterrupted, commercial free time live on TVGN for as long as he wanted to talk. I don't know but that may be the first time in the history of television that someone was allowed live uninterrupted air time on a national network to speak for as long as he wants about a personal matter. Also, (like last year) he doesn't have to wait to get the things he wants such as hair dye, etc. He said he doesn't even have to request stuff - the DR asks him what he wants.

Part 2 follows...

August 9, 2014 at 3:41 AM  
Blogger Ryder said...

Part 2 of things that are bugging me this year:

6.) Houseguests with a built in fan base. I don't mean to pick on Frankie with this one but I don't want any hgs with automatic votes. When we the fans vote on a houseguest for something I think our votes should be the only votes that count. It is unfair to us and the other hgs if our votes are negated because some celebrity type person tweets out to a million followers to vote their way.

7.) Blasting the theme song when they cut the feeds. Every time they cut the feeds we are suddenly blasted with obnoxious screaming music. I usually have my sound turned up high so I can hear the whispers and then.....blast! How many of us jump or almost fall off the chair when that happens? How many times has the sound blasted and woke up a sleeping person in your house? Crying babies and pissed off spouses....not a good thing.

8.) Production blatantly interfering with the games outcome. We know they do. We have heard too many times on the feeds about it. This is a tricky one and I'll be the first to admit that if they did something to help someone I like, it's hard not to be happy about it. But interfering with nominations is just plain wrong. We all know that when someone wins HOH everyone (usually) goes to talk to the HOH and plead their case or try to influence the noms. Frequently the HOH changes their minds several times between Thursday night and Fridays nom ceremony. Some hgs use strategy as to when they go talk to the HOH. Take Cody's HOH as an example - he changed his mind twice on Friday morning before the noms. Being the last hg to get in the ear of the HOH can make or break your game sometimes. When Zack won HOH the DR told him that he couldn't go to bed until he came to the DR with his final noms. He was forced to make his decision on Thursday night which precludes any meetings that would have taken place on Friday before the ceremony. If any hg wanted to use Friday morning for strategy or to have their talk then...tough tacos!

9.) People who complain about being there and the stuff they have or don't have. There are about a zillion people who would *LOVE* to take their place there and they would be ever so grateful for the chance. Hey Caleb, remember how you frequently talk about trying out for Survivor and everyone loved you so much that they gave you a choice of what show to be on? Well it turns out that on Survivor you may not have to sleep on an ice block but you will be sleeping on the ground or on bamboo with bugs biting you, rats running around, and lots of snakes and other stuff to get you. That slop that you think no human should have to live on for 2 weeks...on Survivor they would be thrilled sh*tless with unlimited slop!

10.) Stop singing! BB please tell the hgs, including the so-called superfans, that every time they start singing we get our feeds cut. Since they really aren't superfans (like the people here on BBDish) they don't know what happens. If BB would explain to them that we hate their singing because we spend hard earned money to buy the feeds and every time one of them bursts into song we get fish with the theme song blasting out obnoxiously, I'm willing to bet they would stop singing!

Sorry about the long rant. I promise from this point forward I will try to only concentrate on the positive.

Carolyn - I want to again thank you for all that you do and for keeping this site such a nice place to visit or should I say live for 3 months every year. There is no other site I would follow.

BBDishers - I would also like to thank you for all of your insights and comments. Even when I see a different opinion than my own I still like to read what you say and ponder about other Dishers points and sometimes I even change my mind!

August 9, 2014 at 3:43 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Good morning.
Looks like the girls are toast in this game.
By tomorrow Zankie will be back, and none of this would ever have happened.

Oh well.

August 9, 2014 at 4:22 AM  
Blogger CarolynBBDish said...

Good morning, Mike! :0) Honestly, I'm Team Everybody - I truly love all the HGs in the house this season. ☺ And I love LOVE, so I'm team Zankie and team Frody..

August 9, 2014 at 4:24 AM  
Blogger CarolynBBDish said...

Good morning, Ryder! ☺ Awesome post!!!

Good morning, Jerry!☺ I hope so.. on the Zankie part..

August 9, 2014 at 4:25 AM  
Blogger ashleyyyrose said...

Good morning!!

I signed off last night at 1am so I guess I had just missed everything! Lessa's coverage and your TOR have been a lifesaver! (:

My, my how wonderful is this turning out to be. I had figured that something would happen where Caleb could not just throw the block. We all know that Big Brother doesn't like when HGs determine their own fate easily.

I hope that if Zankie doesn't work things out that at least Zack tries to get the whole story once leaving the BB house and doesn't stick with the TV only version.

Deep down I don't believe Frankie ever wanted to hurt Zack. Yes, he is a smart player and saw how he could use it to his advantage but he did try to keep him around. He was heartbroken when Derrick sad they were getting rid of Zack, but he wanted to do what was best for his game. He only said things about Zack to cover his butt. I HOH he would always tell Zack "I have to call you crazy because you are sometimes." Zack originally seemed understanding.
TA is also responsible for a lot of Zack's true demise. They had to up his "villain" behavior for their tasks, which included two failed attempts, adding to Zack's corrupted relationship with Christine.

I hope the fog wears off and some of the HGs begin to question Derrick and Christine.

I think the only person who truly stands a chance against Hayden in an endurance type challenge to make it back into the house is Frankie. I can't wait to see how the rest of this week turns out!

**P.S. I'm sorry Carolyn for such a long comment! I'll be at work all day and away from the feeds, blog, comments so I wanted to get all of my thoughts out now! eek!

August 9, 2014 at 4:33 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Ryder said it all.

August 9, 2014 at 4:40 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Derrick just said it to Cody.
Derrick, Cody, Caleb, Victoria final four. Caleb out first because they could smoke Victoria in the final three. 4:41 ca 1/2

Looks like Derrick is setting it up so he can sit next to Victoria for the vote,

August 9, 2014 at 4:43 AM  
Blogger Debbie Darling said...

Good morning dishers!

Ryder I could not have said it better!!! BUT "that being said" "at the end of the day" I'm in this until the end. I had hooked my husband into this season until last night until he found out they changed the BotB to something Frankie could win without Caleb. I told him it would happen before the comp as it was taking WAY too long for them to cut to fish. So now the husband is back to calling me crazy for watching something that is so completely manipulated by production. I'm sure they lost more viewers than just him.
I am for better or worse a feed watcher for more years than I care to admit and a disher for almost half that time. I do not comment often but find myself unable to stop the flow of words when I am particularly moved by a post. Tella and Grendon usually get me to comment as did GayTor on more than one occasion. Ryder I just feel you have put into words what so many of us feel.
I hope all you dishers are having a wonderful weekend. As years go by I find it harder and harder to sleep when the HGs sleep and eat when they eat so I will leave you with all with one last comment heard all too often. "I'm getting too old for this 'stuff'".

August 9, 2014 at 5:07 AM  
Blogger NaturalGrace28 said...

Regarding Jumbo's question on the BOB spoiler about Frankie being a media mogul.
I thought he said "social media mogul" which might be true, but I'm not sure what that would require. Either way, the only reason I know who his sister is is because my nieces showed her to me and they watch a lot of Nickelodeon.

August 9, 2014 at 5:20 AM  
Blogger C.Montes (Cattyana) said...

Morning carolyn.
Butthurt? Hahaha that about killed me. But yeah I think Zack is also questioning everything that has happened between him and Frankie (I love you, I'd marry you) because now he found out that frankie is a YouTube personality and he could've possibly been just playing a character and faking it the whole time.
Btw, what has cody done besides winning that ONE HOH ? I would be completely fine with him going.

August 9, 2014 at 5:27 AM  
Blogger Karen W. said...

I couldn't agree with you more Ryder!!!

August 9, 2014 at 5:31 AM  
Blogger Mappy said...

Hahah! Let the real game begin!

*DING DING" Round One!

Thank you Lessa and Carolyn!

August 9, 2014 at 5:31 AM  
Blogger NaturalGrace28 said...

I love this game. I love Derrick, I think he's a crafty mastermind and he's somehow (maybe to the detriment of his game when it comes to getting votes at final 2) somehow convinced everyone that they are making all the decisions that he is leading them to make. He deserves to win. Having said that, part of me hopes that the girls(all three of them) and Donny compare notes and figure out that it is Derrick not Frankie pulling all of the strings and somehow manage to blow his game to Hades. Why? Two reasons. 1)I love watching people play this game and fight for the 500k 2) Derrick's had it way too easy. Even though he's got everyone going his way, trusting him, and he's worked hard to make it so, I'd love to see what he does when backed into a corner.

August 9, 2014 at 5:38 AM  
Blogger C.Montes (Cattyana) said...

Wow. Looked like Christine was about to lean in for the kiss. Wow. Rewind to the premiere episode "can I share a bed with a girl? I'm married." Sure Christine sure

August 9, 2014 at 5:39 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...


I didnt even realize they did that on #5! I kept skipping ahead on DVR and he just kept talking and talking. Now I am pissed at BB too because that is too stupid

August 9, 2014 at 6:07 AM  
Blogger Lisa said...

Good morning Carolyn and Dishers Thank you and Lessa. I have no idea why anyone would be impressed with frankie's nonsense. I agree with Ryder.
this is going to be an interesting week

August 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...

Frankie's confession last night was the most disgustingly boastful and prideful display on BB that I have ever seen! He cant go soon enough for me. I guess he thinks people will take him to F2 now?

Almost equally ridiculous was Victoria's response

August 9, 2014 at 6:13 AM  
Blogger Yasmin said...

Good Morning!

Frankie J Grande celebrity coming out party of One!
…..Deflect from your BB game blowing up.

He said this was Frankies funeral… well that lasted about a hot second….Back to game talk w/ Christine.

Last night was awesome!
so many great comments here on the dish!

out of time for me…time to get ready for work.

Have a great day! to be away from the feeds ugh"(

August 9, 2014 at 6:15 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...

Debbie Darling

I can handle production saving someone ONE time. If they do it again and again, i'll be out too. For now I just want to see Frankie's demise

August 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...


You might be right. He may have said "social" media mogul. I dont think the comment is any less ridiculous though. He is his little sister's personal assistant and makes youtube videos

August 9, 2014 at 6:25 AM  
Blogger Kasey said...

I am livid this morning. All the bob comps required 2 people until NOW? REALLY? I am so done with how production picks their winners and panders to them, production is way to involved these last seasons in directing who wins and leading the HGs in the dr. We have all heard on the feeds how much this is happening. This year is the worst. How was Frank able to win a BoB alone? Pouring champagne couldn't be done alone, nor AbracaBoBra, nor Domino Effect, Knight moves, Here comes the bride.... but this one could? Seems really contrived and unfair to the others who lost and went out because their partners sucked. How about production just taking their hands off and letting the HGs strategise and play the game without constant interference. I have been a fan since BB started, but I think this is my last season. I feel like the fans are getting played now, and I've lost all desire to watch a reality show that is so far from reality that many long time fans are done with it. I rarely comment but today I am just done with how this is being produced.

August 9, 2014 at 6:44 AM  
Blogger KathrynwithaK said...

Carolyn, that's my ideal world scenario, too!!

August 9, 2014 at 7:20 AM  
Blogger Grandma in the south said...

The person I donot care for the first time i SEE them; they are always final two. This year it was Cabel. I hope im wrong. He is so self centered. He is really not over playing. He also is not corcerned about anyone.

August 9, 2014 at 7:40 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I agree with everything you said 100%

August 9, 2014 at 7:41 AM  
Blogger John11581 said...

Thank you Ryder for writing practically everything I've been thinking. Obvious special treatment and producer manipulation has, unfortunately become the norm on BB. I think the only way that would change is if Grodner got evicted from the show. I believe most BBs problems can be directly related to her being in charge. It's obvious she plays favorites and tries to keep them in the game as long as possible. The thing that completely baffles me though is how poor her read of what viewers want to see is. She loves everyone the audience either dislikes or is indifferent to. You'd think that she of all people would have a better read on her show and her audience than anyone, but she fails miserably season after season.

I'm glad you also spoke up about the one think I immediately disliked about Frankie from day one. He throws around I Love Yous like they're going out of style and he has to unload the last bulk order he bought before there are no more takers. I've always thought he was ingratiating, but those insincere I Love Yous really take the cake. I cringe whenever I hear them.

I'm so glad you posted your list, because if was beginning to think I was the only one who had the same issues. It's nice to see some other people feel the same way. I'm one of the few who who aren't as enamoured by this season and the house guests as the majority seem to be, so I've been treading lightly with voicing my criticisms thinking maybe I'm just missing something everyone else is seeing.

August 9, 2014 at 7:54 AM  
Blogger curlerchick said...

Carolyn, thanks for the TOR! I tried to follow along last night but couldn't keep my eyes open.

Ryder, I love your post. Thanks for summing it up so nicely. I love Derrick's game. He truly is a great manipulator. Last night after Frankie held his "funeral", Derrick said at one point they were upset he wasn't who he said he was and how would he feel if they weren't truly who they represented to be outside the house. hahaha, he's quick on his feet and always thinking. Don't know how he doesnt have permanent headache.

August 9, 2014 at 8:28 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

Ryder's comments were spot on. A TV show I love to watch and look forward to every season but last year with preferential treatment for Amanda and now the Demo grab with the promotion of Ariana Grande via her brother this season.
Her 'visit' to the taping was no coincidence. Pop stars schedule weeks in advance and she is a star from what I am told.
So they reconfigure the BoB to give Frank an extra leg knowing that Caleb was going to sit. We all know they did.
Anyone remember the $64,000 Question controversy in the 60's?
Game rigging is a crime actually. If the house members are smart they would confront the production company, or retain lawyers after the end of the season.

August 9, 2014 at 8:33 AM  
Blogger irishEYEEEs said...

@Ryder. Well said! Btw, I love you, lol.

August 9, 2014 at 8:40 AM  
Blogger Yellow Dog said...

Hello Dishers! This is my first comment. I have been a BB fan since season 2. At first I was TV only. Found websites in Season 6 where I got a virus on my work computer. Then found this site in Season 7 (I think) and have been a secret disher ever since. I started reading comments about 5 years ago and this is my 3rd year with the feeds (through this site of course). Carolyn this site is wonderful and I love that you apply rules to site. Even though I have never commented I cried when I heard about GaYtor. My favorite commenter is Grendon because my thoughts seem to come out in her words and what Ryder just wrote in parts 1 and 2 inspired me to comment with YES! YES! YES!

August 9, 2014 at 9:01 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Bravo Ryder , I completely agree with everything you said. Frankly, I'm sick of the constant fish. START GIVING HG A PENALTY NOM. The other thing is, if they insist on having a comp late and it's not finished by the time BBAD starts, too bad, show us..Watching FISH is not my thrill. OR Watching Caleb talk to the viewers. OR Three men basically sleeping in an HOH BED. There is no reason to do it so late.
I also agree about someone famous. ESP FRANKIE. Elissa was on a different level in my eyes. Frankie is not and like the Hg have said, just cut frankie the 25 thousand dollar check now, they stand no chance, THAT, is NOT FAIR to them..
And MY BIGGEST BEEF...STOP RECRUITING...There are thousands of BB fans who would LOVE To have the opportunity and you can't tell me that none of them aren't good looking I would rather see REAL fans of BB battle it out and then my friends, we have a GREAT BB SEASON.

August 9, 2014 at 9:10 AM  
Blogger starfishsky said...

About America's Favorite. If Frankie wins AF it would make sense for CBS to make the donation to the charity and then give a 2nd cash award to the player that received the 2nd highest votes.

If Zack and Frankie mend their relationship that may be him based on Frankie's followers alone - but it would at least give someone else a chance against the overwhelming odds that someone with a media following entering the house would have.

It seems like a solution that would make everyone happy.

August 9, 2014 at 9:15 AM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...

Good Morning Caro! Howdy Fellow Dishers!

Now I haven't finished The Overnight Report yet so maybe I haven't clued in to a Zankie forgive fest if it's happened. Forgive that in advance if all's good in Zankie land.

I watched Frankie’s “reveal” last night in utter disbelief. So let’s get this straight…..AHEM….
Frankie has been carrying around this horrible secret that…… he’s a famous social media MOGUL and that his sister is OMG Ariana Grande (I had no idea she existed before BB). So because of all that he was forced to play a character – aka not himself – and he’s had to play dirty and he was CONSUMED by the guilt. So he’s coming clean NOW……


So everyone is supposed to now forgive, forget and hand him the money on the silver platter he’s used to and just give him the prize money so he can build a school.
*pppppppffffttt*(picture Bill the cat for best attitude)
The girls are concerned they don’t know the “real” Frankie or what he’ll do!!?? Sheesh WAKE UP and smell the BullCr@p.

He hasn’t changed one iota. He is still the dirty backstabbing lying snake he was before – the only thing different is that now you know he already has America’s Favorite Player in the bag. Same old same old on everything else. He has NOTHING left to garner attention, find favor or surprise you with. He’s played all his cards – they’re on the table. Now that the real Frankie is out – he’s still playing the same game!!! His actions cannot be changed now that he’s come clean. His actions haven’t changed. He’s still playing the same way. Nothing has changed. He’s just LESS transparent. Kick his butt to the curb as quickly as you can.

My Poor Zach Attack :( - he was utterly speechless last night. If you haven’t watched it, watch it. The kid was holding in the tears but they were flooding him inside. If NOTHING else he’s hurt that Frankie didn’t confide that truth to him. Would it have changed Zach’s game? Probably not. But Zach might’ve a) blown him up sooner or b) known that fact was “theirs” (Zankie’s) alone. It would’ve sealed their pact or prevented it from moving forward. Either way, on their personal level, it is most likely the end of Zankie inside the game. Does Zach care for Frankie – yes. In a romantic way? I’m not sure; nor do I think we’ll ever know. He seemed much more focused, to me, on how hot his sister is - so if he had those feelings, he's still hiding. What he didn’t do was give Frankie an inch to his face. Zach feels utterly defeated and betrayed. :(

August 9, 2014 at 9:24 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

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August 9, 2014 at 9:36 AM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...


I am hoping Frankie wins PoV. I am hoping that he has to choose between Team America and Zankie. I am hoping he chooses a side and doesn’t pussyfoot out by not using the PoV. But I think he’d choose the latter. *Sigh*

YES. CBS made it possible for Frankie to win. Does that suck? Yes. Is it fair? Not if they rigged it. But this is Big Brother and CBS owns it. We can only boycott the show or put it on blast if we hate what they do. I love the show. I think by allowing Frankie to have a chance makes this LESS of a great TV Moment.

I do think they switched which BoB they had planned and here’s my logic.

Week 1) Pouring Twenties – required TWO participants

Week 2) We Did What – possible to win alone

Week 3) Abraca-BOB-ra – required a partner

Week 4) Knight Moves - feasible for a decent chess to win alone (but interesting if someone refused to play)

Week 5) Here Comes the Bride – impossible without a partner

Week 6) Domino Effect – Anyone could’ve absolutely won (if given enough time or fails by the opposing team)

Week 7) DE interrupts BoB

Week 8) ?Something football related? – Frankie wins ALONE.

So, in actuality, every other week there has been a POV that was possible to win alone (if you factor in the week of DE being a BB week). I think they probably had a challenge that necessitated teamwork this week planned but switched it up with next week’s so that Frankie had a shot. Does it suck b@ll$? YES. But it’s Big Brother.

Say it with me: “Production involvement sucks B@LL$” !!!!!

But sometimes it is sweet as well.

This time I think they chose wrong because watching Frankie melt down would’ve been better TV – he might’ve come clean during the comp; it would’ve been awesome. But now, he just looks like the underdog to the TV only viewers and that’s how CBS will likely edit it. The TV audience already KNOWS who Frankie is so it isn’t a surprise; that Frankie beats the odds and wins PoV is a thing of TV Beauty no matter if you like him or not. I, personally, would’ve rather watched him have a meltdown but that’s because I’m not Team Frankie and I’m not Team CBS. I’m team Zach (former Zankie) and I wanted Zach and Donny OFF the Block. But as I say all too often, I rarely get what I want in this game. Last week, Zach was saved at the final hour and I loved it. Frankie was saved today and I’m bummed.

THAT, my fellow dishers, IS BIG BROTHER.

August 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM  
Blogger earlybird said...

I think I've come up with a reasonable solution to all the rule breaking that's been going on in the house; most noticeable singing & talking about production that results in cutting the feeds.

BB should implement a demerits system, where, after say 1 warning during a conversation, the HG, or HG's continue to violate the rules, they earn 1 demerit.

Once an HG earns 10 demerits, they get 1 day on slop; 25 Demerits gets them a week as a Have Not; 50 demerits gets them a penalty vote and/or nomination if they aren't on the block.

They all get reset back to zero demerits after evictions are done.

That's my solution! Please implement it BB, if you're reading this!!!

August 9, 2014 at 9:38 AM  
Blogger Grendon said...

I have been saying that for weeks now. Unfortunately for Cody he has a lot more 'pretty' than he has brains.

August 9, 2014 at 9:43 AM  
Blogger David Lockner said...

Good Morning Carolyn!! I've been lurking a lot this year, well simply because I don't want to be the one that pees in everyone's Corn Flakes with the things I would have to say.

However there are many many people who would agree with me, but it seems the majority is silenced by the outspoken minority in this case.

I will say this and try to do it without offense to anyone....tolerance in any subject goes both ways. Those that say there is no place for religion on this show, yet push for a "showmance", and positively promote a lifestyle that espouses the very opposite ideals and morals of almost all of the world's major religions, is in itself and affront to tolerance.

If there is a place for one then there is just as much of a place for the other. For that very reason alone, I personally, and many others have found this season much more offensive than anything said or done last season. When people's beliefs are dismissed as unimportant or waxed over in favor of someone else's, it's the complete opposite of tolerance, no matter the intent.

Now that's off my chest, so lets get on to game....

Frankie's game probably will not be helped much with his "coming clean" revelations...I see the "well he has money, he doesn't deserve to win" mindset setting in soon.

Donny...always the outcast, yet always manages to stay somehow even with everything working against him...this week will be no different...they only say his name because it's the easiest choice to make, however their animosity towards each other will keep the "big dogs" fighting amongst themselves while he slips out from under the dog-pile unscathed again.

Christine, dear Christine, yes, we know your hubby is probably not the catch of the day, but to disrespect him in front of millions of live-feeders every day is just too much...luckily for him, CBS has yet to do a segment about her affectionate moments with Cody. Long story short, and probably a biased opinion, as I came from a marriege to a cheating spouse, her stuff would be waiting under a tarp in the front yard when she got home with divorce papers right on top the pile...

Cody, Zach, Victoria, I'm just kinda "meh" about...they could all go I could care less...wouldn't miss them...

Derrick...awesome gameplay, most likely the winner this season, hands down, he has the gift! Just remains to be seen if anyone could call his bluff and blindside him, but I seriously doubt it...

Nicole, tried to grow a pair, but always gets kicked in them....she probably doesnt have much life left in the house...

and Caleb....what else can be said? He's already won BB, walked the red carpet while everyone thrusts contracts at him, guys a are throwing their girlfriends at him, and he's an A-list celebrity...so what's he still doing there?

Honestly, even with the faults I find, I like the dynamic of the house and how it's always changing...I've yet to see the boring part people are tallking about.

August 9, 2014 at 9:55 AM  
Blogger jovee said...

Ryder, excellent post.....a lot of my thoughts.....I would like to see a future BB without any celebrity or recruited players.... and lesser interference with the game play from production...if not ...this is the death knell to reality TV....It is blatantly obvious that Production is interfering with the game play...Three floater finalists last year should be a clue....thanks Carolyn...and especially you RYDER....JOVEE

August 9, 2014 at 9:59 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...


I thought through the BOB comps myself... Even the domino one Frankie cant win if Caleb keeps knocking the dominoes over. In chess Caleb could have helped the other team beat Frankie. If this was completely a One man comp then its the first and its more than obvious

I thought Frankies boastful prideful display last night was disgusting

August 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM  
Blogger Michigan Man said...

Hello Carolyn, all good morning

Let's get one thing straight right away, Frankie isn't famous. Having 1.5 million youtube followers/subscribers doesn't mean anything. Most people I watch who do gaming videos have far more than that and the most successful one has 27 million so Frankie can check his ego. Next most of his subscribers probably don't watch BB, could care less and won't vote for anything. If they did the program would have more viewers. So all this worrying about him having a lock on America's favorite by the HGs is silly. Still think Donny has a lock on that, we'll see I guess but I'll be I'm right.

Next, revealing who he really is and that he has a famous sister doesn't mean anything and unlike Derrick I don't see it as a great game move. To me this is a reason to get him out as soon as possible I would think. I don't know it just seems silly to me. If he'd done this when he was in danger of going home maybe but he's safe this week.

About their prize for winning BoB. Caleb is wild speculating that they will go to a football game and get jerseys and all the rest, maybe but probably not. We all remember how well that worked out with Danielle and Shane and the gymnasts. Most awkward TV event ever. Nobody knew who anyone was. It would be the same here. Bad TV.

Now on to the game. Nicole is very much in danger and I knew that the moment she lost the HOH to Christine. No matter what she says Christine can't be trusted. She's to easily influenced by the guys. Even more so than Victoria. I'd like to see Christine make a move against the guys but don't see that happening. Even if she did at this point besides Nicole she couldn't work with anyone to do anything. The guys don't want her anymore than they want Nicole or Donny in the game.

I think Derrick faltered last night/this morning but is recovering quickly and still has the best game moving forward.

August 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM  
Blogger NaturalGrace28 said...

Completely agree with you on this one.

August 9, 2014 at 10:15 AM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...

But that's sabotaging your partner which wasn't what Caleb said he would do.

August 9, 2014 at 10:15 AM  
Blogger nikanico said...

Yaaaaay Ryder! You should print that and send it to production...haha

August 9, 2014 at 10:27 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...


Throwing a 2 person comp by sitting on the ground sounds like sabotage to me

August 9, 2014 at 10:37 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Carolyn, Zach did tell Frankie (before going to the fire room) that he (Zach) now hated him as a player, but loved him as person. I saw it all going down and was initially upset because of most BBAD was fishies and then this.
Personally, I feel Frankie's reveal/death was game play. It was his last desperate ditch attempt to work it!

August 9, 2014 at 10:40 AM  
Blogger Jumbo said...

David Lockner

You lost me on the first part about intolerance. Too many vague suggestions
The part about this season being boring... Last night was the first time I saw peopleyelling at each other. Has to be a BB record

August 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM  
Blogger Karen W. said...

Made me gag a little!

August 9, 2014 at 10:50 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Wow, what a great comment section in this TOR.

I'm waiting for the veto, I'm not even sure what I'm wishing for at this point.

If it stays the same, who goes home?
I think Donny is a goner unless he wins POV.
If Zach comes off then, probably, Nicole is the re-nom and goes home.
If it's Nicole and Zach up there, I'm not sure, but probably Zach.

August 9, 2014 at 10:58 AM  
Blogger CarolynBBDish said...

Yes, Zach definitely said "I love you as a person, but hate you as a game player," and Frankie replied, "I love you too."

Too see the whole FIGHT, and it was definitely a blowout - go to 9:50pm on camera 3 in the flashback section of the live feeds -- and just stay put til Frankie's done with his I'm Ariana's brother reveal..

August 9, 2014 at 10:59 AM  
Blogger Grendon said...

This has been a subject of debate for years. Most notably when Boogie and Frank admitted to cheating and it was caught on the feeds. That year, Frank was the one production loved. Apparently BB is not under the same constraints as something like Jeopardy because it is considered a reality show rather than a game show.

August 9, 2014 at 10:59 AM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...

Agree to disagree. It would be like Joacasta sitting down in here comes the bride. Victoria would've had zero chance I'm that one because it required both to stand on top.

August 9, 2014 at 11:01 AM  
Blogger Michigan Man said...

Read though all the comments and I have two things to say.

The video of Frankie's sister's house. She's a pop star who has a big house and doesn't live in it most of the time. What I did find interesting about is two things. She has a KISS poster, doesn't seem the type but I guess because I don't know her, of her I wouldn't know. Second is Frankie's hair. It's very normal looking. So his hair on the show is very much a prop and not something he does in the outside world it seems.

Next, the conspiracy theories. Every year they are out there and every year they are proven wrong. The one last year was that Amanda was pre-destined to win. Did she, no. This time it's that the BoB was changed for Frankie. They were already running promos on CBS website before the BoB saying it would be football themed. Football is starting/has started and CBS is having Thursday night games so they want cross promotion. Caleb said to Frankie at one point last night, don't remember when exactly, that if he had helped they would've lost. This means that it just so happened that the BoB was set up that one person could do something better than two if the two weren't in sync with each other or something. Once we see it on Sunday we'll know the real story.

Last, does production interfere? Yes and no, they encourage HGs to view all possibilities, to ask different questions and to think about what they haven't thought about before. You might call that manipulation but to me it's just giving a nudge to make players think, period. You'll notice that Derrick is not getting or taking advice from production because he has a solid plan of attack and thinks on his feet and needs no nudging.

At the end of the day, I had to, it's just a silly game show that we love to watch and complain about and who wins or loses doesn't mean anything to us personally. So just enjoy the ups and downs and ins and outs.

Because of it we have Carolyn who created The Dish for us all to come together and meet and talk and enjoy this silly Summer past time.

August 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM  
Blogger tonitoni said...

Good BB morning to you Caro and all the BBDishers-

Tsk, tsk, tsk, CBS what have you done? A blatant attempt to keep Frankie in the house. On Thursday night, Ari, her mom and grandmother were in the audience followed by a selfie with Julie.

The following day when it was obvious the house was against Frankie (I felt for him for a nanosecond and thought he shouldn't be shunned), production whipped up a comp he could win on his own (which pissed off TVGN viewers for having to watch the fish for close to an hour) because of all the talk about Caleb throwing the comp and him more worried about giving the great speech he was going to give to avenge his Queen.

What really chaps me is Caleb's actions in two comps (1st not taking the veto but grabbing the $5000 during Cody's reign) and as a result of his making Frankie win the BOTB on his own, he gets a freaking day out with football celebrities. I believe production also wanted Caleb to be on the winning team because he's such a controversial, divisive person=more ratings.

LIke Evil Dick said on twitter this am-I never made deals or told anyone what I was going to do until right before the comps so production couldn't f**k it up!

August 9, 2014 at 11:13 AM  
Blogger Sushiushi said...

Unfortunately, Caleb had a pretty big talk with derrick, Nichole and zach outlining all the ways he could sabotage Frankie. (Ringing in the wrong answers, kicking things over, holding him up on something and not letting go)- so he was up for it. Interested to see the Sunday show, only way to know...

August 9, 2014 at 11:21 AM  
Blogger Grendon said...

I don't think they are rigging the game for Frankie because he doesn't bring the ratings. The fan favorites bring ratings. Right now the fan favorites are Donny, Derrick and trailing behind, I think Hayden was in there. Let's not forget, Hayden didn't go home because of Frankie-he went home because of Derrick and
Cody. Zack is hurt for a lot of reasons. What started his fall from utopia into the depths of despair? Once again-that would be Derrick and Cody. And yes, Zack said he feels like Frankie lied to him this whole time. He actually said this while admitting to Derrick and Cody that he had been lying to Frankie the whole time. Nicole is crying the blues about the lies while she lies through her teeth. A lot of people are watching their games implode, not because of Frakie Grandimarshioni or because of Frank E Grande. Their games are falling apart because of all the double dealings and lying they have done that has now spun out of control. I don't think Derrick has played a good game. He played to many angles. If it comes back to bite him he has no one to blame but himself.

Like Michigan Man, I don't feel Frankie is a shho in for America's Favorite. Jenn City did have a successful metal band in the Lollapalooza days and Wil Heuser wss a fairly successful pop star. It didn't help either of them.

August 9, 2014 at 11:26 AM  
Blogger Grendon said...

One more thing-

If Caleb or Victoria blame losing America's Favorite on the Ariana Grande fans they are delusional. They have never been in the running and even with no fan base I have no problem believing Frankie is more popular than them.

August 9, 2014 at 11:31 AM  
Blogger damnskippy said...

MichiganMan, while I don't think Frankie's YT followers will automatically insure he's Am's Favorite Player, I think it's highly likely Ariana Grande's millions and millions of fans will vote for him. It's been widely published that Arianna's brother is on BB, and I'm sure she's been promoting it during her concerts, interviews on morning TV, etc. so it is very likely a lot of them will take the time to watch BB (to know their obsession's family better) and vote for Frankie. Remember, all her fans only have one person to vote for. The rest of us mere watchers have to split our votes among 16 players.

I also hate that production interferes with the "natural" playing of the game, but it's certainly nothing new. And while I don't know it's a fact, I suspect all the player's contracts state something like "CBS retains the right to screw you and your game over in order to boost ratings and make a boring season more exciting and dramatic". They know it happens and don't have a choice in the matter. What I don't get is why the players don't strategize to counteract these possible and expected maneuvers by production.

As for my opinion on Frankie, I think his game has been ruthless and mean. I couldn't stand the way Amber was treated and the bashing and outright lies he concocted to get her out and now he's doing the same to Nicole. Why people believe him now when he says "Nicole has lied about everything and is twisting the truth" or that they would believe anything he says is mind boggling to me. Do they have "celebrity goggles" on now? I hope not.

I don't get why Nicole has never blamed Cody and Derrick for their betrayal. She never blasted them and never even disliked them (except for her one moment of "I'll never trust you again" to Cody after Hayden's eviction). I don't get how she can completely blame Frankie and Christine and let those two get a pass. I guess it's some kind of mind control or BB house blindness. I know Derrick has completely misted her, so that's probably the only thing she's looking at.

August 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM  
Blogger Grendon said...

And now Nicole says this (about Ariana) "Can't she donate and not take the money away from people who need it to live."

Only one person wins. If your families are one step away from being homeless maybe you all should have stayed home and worked overtime.

BTW Models make pretty good money don't they? Maybe Cody could answer that question.

August 9, 2014 at 11:50 AM  
Blogger lscott said...

The house has turned them all delusional
I guess it does that

August 9, 2014 at 12:01 PM  
Blogger David Lockner said...

I had to be vague simply to avoid conflict and finger pointing, and to avoid a blow-up like we had in chat...the whole point is, all im hearing and seeing how beautiful of a thing it would be for Zankie to hook up, yet in the same breath saying religion has no place on the show...even more demeaning things about Christianity were said in chat, but when someone defended the right of religion to have a place as well ( me), I was the bad person? How is it fair one viewpoint is accepted, celebrated and anticipated, but if another viewpoint or opposing opinion is given equal time it's a bad thing? We as christians dont like a homosexual relationship thrown in our faces as much as they dislike our religious views thrown in theirs..so tolerance should be practiced both ways....not just by CBS, but by fans as well...if there's no place for Religion, then there's no place for a lifestyle that the main religions of the world are opposed to either...

As far as boring is considered, we all have our own opinion of whats exciting and entertaining...I find discussing strategy and watching and analysing each individual game to be the reason I watch the show...personally I dont need screaming matches and constant fighting to make it entertaining...and I dont need soap opera stuff...I'd watch other CBS daytime offerings if thats what I wanted...BB is about gameplay and how people can adjust and adapt a game through an always changing house dynamic...but to each his own...

August 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...

Caro - @443am cams 1/2 Derrick mentions to Cody that somebody said he was a cop (whole convo goes back a couple minutes). Is that accusation on any of the feeds? I'm curious who said that - Frankie?? OR is that a diversion tactic only by Derrick?

August 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM  
Blogger cadd1122 said...

Also, can anyone make sense of what Caleb says RIGHT AFTER feeds come back at 9:50 BBT - he says something about he was going to play it but "they" wouldn't let him jump in because he was ????out of it??? - did they possibly disqualify Caleb for NOT doing anything in the competition? Because typical throwing a comp includes going slow or sabotaging by incorrect answers or some other 'active' method. I do not think anyone has refused to compete at all from the get go.....???

August 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM  
Blogger Lisa said...

Ariana has 17.2 million followers on twitter alone, I think she can influence votes

August 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM  
Blogger CarolynBBDish said...

Psst! :) Loving all your posts & loving the tone of civility that always prevails..

Just want to let you know there IS a New Top Post


August 9, 2014 at 1:36 PM  
Blogger Grendon said...

Frankie told Derrick he thought he was a cop.

August 9, 2014 at 2:00 PM  
Blogger Grendon said...

Nicole has been lying. Not about all of it, just the parts that make her look bad. Neithet she or Frankie are being 100% truthful. Zack instigated the turning of Caleb on Amber and Frankie carried it out. But Derrick and Cody encouraged it and they were all in on the plan.

August 9, 2014 at 2:03 PM  
Blogger Jumbo said...

David Lockner

I think in regard to you chat argument you should voice your opinion and the other side should voice theirs. I have nothing against gay relationships, but I am also disturbed by the insinuation that somehow the world would be a better place if Frankie turns Zach gay. As far as religion... I think Jocosta, Victoria, and anyone else is free to believe what they want to. CBS probably uses clips of people speaking in tongues the same way the they use the Fauxmance of zankie: to enflame some and amuse others.

I do think special religious considerations in the house would be wrong. Everyone should have the same rules while on the show. If that interrupts your belief system.. Self evict

August 9, 2014 at 2:11 PM  
Blogger Lisa said...

I'm a Christian who believes gay is equal. Actually, my entire denomination does. That is a top reason why I chose it.

August 9, 2014 at 3:08 PM  
Blogger nikkikole said...

Love it, well said

August 9, 2014 at 6:48 PM  

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