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Sunday, July 19, 2009

The Overnight Report

Good Morning, BB Lovers. Happy Sunday Show Day!

The HGs were up gaming, plotting, scheming, flipping and flopping til about 5am last night. The topic? Who should go up in Jeff's place when he presumably uses the Veto on himself?

Talk about a head spinning night on the live feeds! There was much gaming and many flips and flops last night in the BB11 house. So much so, you can pretty much go anywhere in the flashback machine from last night and get some kind of game talk.

OK, lemme break it down for ya. Ronnie's original plan, from even before last night, was to backdoor Russell this week. Russell's conveniently failing to win the PoV yesterday has enabled Ronnie to put this plan into motion... He spent much of last night marshaling support for the idea.

The night started out as 100% Russell going up as the renom and out the back door, complete with almost universal support from Russell's own supposed alliance.

When together in the HoH room, everyone from NBK*** (minus Jessie, who was not invited), voiced their support for Operation Backdoor Mr Delectable Eye Candy. However, when the group was minus Kevin and Chima, Natalie and Lydia both said they'd prefer to see Laura go this week and Casey was perhaps the better choice.

***FYI - NBK=Natural Born Killers

Then it switched to Casey, which was supported by Kevin & Lydia, because they feel he betrayed the clique by voting to keep Braden, who had verbally attacked both of them.

Jordan, having been made privy to the plan to backdoor Russell earlier in the evening, had been happily going along with the ruse that she was to be the renom, and then she was brought into the loop about the switch to Casey... Not happy with this turn of events at all, at 12:25am BBT on feed 1, on the hammock with Jeff, with Ronnie sitting on the ground beside it, Jordan told Ronnie that Russell had just a few minutes ago called him a "fat f'ing somethin'," but declined to say the other word, in an effort to spare Ronnie's feelings.

As we know, Russell couldn't be any more gay friendly... Jordan embellished to help her cause. With Ronnie gone, Jeff chided her for putting that out there...

So, Ronnie flipped back to the Russell renom for purely personal reasons, but justifies it aloud by saying that sometimes the personal and the strategic coincide, and this is one of those times.

Natalie fills Jessie in on what's been happening and he's none too pleased. Jessie makes a calm and reasoned argument to Ronnie that goes something like this: He doesn't want to lose Russell quite yet... It's not his week... Laura's really a bigger threat... Sure Russell's a little explosive, but Laura's a real danger, in that she knows this game very well, and she's able to manipulate everyone to bend to her will... I'll support whatever choice you make, but I think we can put off Russell for another time.

Jessie as elder statesman. Who'da thunk it?

Near the end of their gaming night, around 3am, we get this nice little summary statements from Laura, who is whispering and giggling with Jordan about Jordan's having lied to Ronnie, saying she heard Russell call him names...

Laura: We’ll just hope for the best. If Ronnie puts up Russell, we might be ok. Either Russell or Casey we have a shot. If Ronnie does what he wants and needs to do, it’ll be Russell. If Ronnie does what Jessie wants, it’ll be Casey. It’ll tell us how much Jessie has Ronnie wrapped around his finger. If Ronnie puts up Russell, it shows us that Ronnie will stand up to Jessie. If Ronnie saves me, I won’t put him up. I’ll put Natalie & Jessie up. I told him that.

We get a healthy chunk of summary statement from Ronnie, up in HoH, as well.

Ronnie: Not to be completely selfish, but what’s the better deal for me? Putting up Casey, and going against my word? Or do I go with option two and take out Russell? Then the only person who would've put me up is Casey, and he won’t, because I kept my word, and Laura wont put me up out of sheer gratitude.

For a nice wrap up on the whole evening of insanity via the beloved flashback machine, go to 4am BBT, feeds 3 & 4. It's Lydia and Jessie. They have an excellent grasp on the reality of the situation in the house, and they share info with each other. It's a great way to prevent the BB head spins first thing in the morning. ;)

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If Ronnie does go through with putting Russell up as the renom... well, let's just put it this way, I'm taking pre-emptive advil and massaging my hands to get ready for it! Realistically, though, Russell or not, it's going to be intense.

By the way, Casey's been up since 6am... about 45 minutes after Jessie and Lydia crawled into bed. He's on feeds 1 & 2...

See ya in the comment section!

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Blogger Judy in NJ said...

Good Morning Miss Carolyn et al!!!

OMG this game is insane. Wait, I think maybe I am insane as I yell at feeds and tv and flashbacks!!!


Car, are you sure they are doing POV ceremony today? I sure do hope so otherwise I will be so scattered tomorrow at work!!

July 19, 2009 at 8:20 AM  
Blogger Judy in NJ said...

Burning question in my mind today is....

When will hiding Laura in his bathroom come back to bite Ronnie in his behind??? That's gonna be so much fun!!

July 19, 2009 at 8:21 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Judy - Gooood Morning! :) you're right.. thank you... complete brain fart on my behalf. The PoV ceremony should actually be tomorrow.. Monday.

I'm still getting used to it all again. Traditionally, Sunday is when BB lets them sleep in...

July 19, 2009 at 8:28 AM  
Blogger Shamrock said...

It would be in Ronnie's best interest to get rid of Russell now.

As much as the eye candy lovers wouldn't like it, that would be Ronnie's best game move to keep himself safe for the next few weeks.

July 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM  
Anonymous CC said...

Russell DID call Ronnie a fat f*@K, the only thing she embelished was the fa**ot part which wasn't the part that made Ronnie so angry. Ahhhh! These people are blind. Jessie and Natalie are only protecting themselves, when its all said and done, they could care less about the rest of the group.

July 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM  
Blogger David B said...

be gone during the day but trying to keep up with the flip flops via mobile BBdish.

rusell will be harder to get out later than sooner. he is capeable of getting a competition hot streak and controlling his own destiny.

July 19, 2009 at 8:34 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good Morning, CC :) That's what i said in TOR... :)

Morning, Shamrock, yeah.. so.. intellectually I can grasp this, lol.. but i'm just not ready to see him leave the house. Here's the thing, if Russell really i as good of a player as I think he is, now's when he really gets to prove it.

The "best players" aren't eliminated 1st... The best players win the game. Period.

July 19, 2009 at 8:35 AM  
Anonymous Alisa said...

Shamrock, completely agree. Getting rid of Russell now is a great game move. Ronnie's gonna be safe with Laura, Jordan and Jeff if he does (at least for 1 week), he's already safe if Chima/Michelle win HOH. His only risk is Casey, Jesse, Nat and I think those 3 have bigger targets on their radar.

I hate that all that scheming happened last night. Too soon! Way too much time for Ronnie to flip flop.

July 19, 2009 at 8:36 AM  
Anonymous ekmurf said...

Good morning Carolyn...

Awww Russell. :( I don't know what I want Ronnie to do except go on the block next week.

Forgive my ignorance, but when does the renom usually happen? I forget. It's during the week, isn't it?

I wish Jordan and Laura hadn't lied on Russell, but I really think Laura is a player to watch.

July 19, 2009 at 8:37 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

Good morning Julie, and good morning Wuss, too. :-p~~ I nominated you for that for going to bed so early in case you missed it.

What a night. I can definitely say Jordan is off my list. She needs to go. I heard her say that and was 99.999% she made it up when she said it. AND, Jeff may have been the one to plant the seed for her to say it so I guess I am off on both of them until I am proven wrong about Jeff.

I do NOT want to open up the whole racist/sexist (and all the slurs that go with it) issue again but Jordan is obviously the biggest one in the group. Those words flew so easily from her mouth even though she first pretended she didn't want to repeat them (but only for Ronnie's sake so he wouldn't be hurt) but she said them with such ease. I can't imagine her real life world being any different. With some people you just get a gut feeling. *End of Rant* - for now.

I hope Ronnie listens to Jessie.. just this once... no, I am not now nor have I ever been a Jessie fan.


July 19, 2009 at 8:37 AM  
Blogger jane said...

Good Morning Dishers!

Hey, I usually save this for later in the season, but it seems later in the season since about day two.

Carolyn is going to need some serious carpal tunnel physical therapy, and probably mental health care a few months from now.

It's time to tip over the tip jar!!

Don't forget, this is FREE to us dishers, and Carolyn has to eat (and drink a lot of coffee, and repair her wounds). Give a little, but give a lot.

Caro, don't be shy, put this up in the post! It's all me, no prompting, ya'll. I'm a voluntary whore.

July 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM  
Anonymous Laura in NC said...

Do you think that we will have one easy out week? Where everyone agrees on the nominee and votes that person out?

With this group....nahhhh.

With Ronnie's ReNom I just don't know who would be the "Safe" Nom and who would be the "Shocking" one. Whoever he picks is going to make big waves because he has made promises with everyone.

July 19, 2009 at 8:38 AM  
Anonymous CC said...

Thanks Carolyn, now that I re-read, I see that it was what you were saying!! :)

July 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM  
Blogger Bethra said...

Hi Caro,

You know, they keep saying that the puppet master is Ronnie, but let's face it, it's really Lydia.

Lydia wants Braden to go home. He's gone. Lydia has a fight with Russell, she wants him gone. I think she has more pull than anyone is giving her credit for.

Have you noticed that Jessie has toned it down this season? He must have learned from his mistakes that showboating get's you know nowhere!

I thought Ronnie hid Chima in the bathroom yesterday?

July 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM  
Anonymous Traci said...

Good Morning! I agree about not being ready to see Russell leave. I don't really want Laura to leave yet either. I don't think Russell has the guts to nominate who I'd really like to leave...Natalie (there are others, but he can't nominate Chima). I would like to see the Athletes loose one since they have 4 players right now and I am sick of the bullying tactics and demand for submissiveness mostly perpetuated by Natalie and her closest group. I think it will flip several more times until tomorrow and more explosions. It should be interesting.

July 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress.

Sound is out again. Went poof overnight after I turned of RP and walked away. Came back to see a rebootedish computer and the hated red X over the speaker icon.

I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress... I'm not going to stress.



July 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

The PoV Ceremony usually happens on Monday - Today's a day for more mayhem and bathing beauties. ;)

July 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM  
Blogger Shamrock said...

I agree with that.

Last night Russell sealed his fate for the game, IMO. He bagged on his former teammates way too much. I don't get why. Stay low and go with the flow. How come he brought unneeded attention to himself?

Everyone, except the HoH and clique teammates, are vulnerable when a nominee wins the PoV.

At that moment, it's time to consolidate relationships with your allies and the HoH. Russell went in the opposite direction, which played perfect into Ronnie's game strategy.

Russell sunk his own ship yesterday, and Jeff, Jordan, Laura, etc were more than happy to put a few extra shells into a destroyer headed to the bottom.

Until yesterday, I thought Russell could make a run at this game, both physically and intellectually. Now, I don't see how he makes it past the next few weeks, even if he survives getting backdoored to meet Julie this Thursday.

July 19, 2009 at 8:48 AM  
Anonymous DebinNY said...

I couldn't stand Jesse last year and can't stand him again this year.
Ronnie should grow a pair and do what he wants not what Jesse wants. Don't get me wrong I am not crazy for the little rat Ronnie. I can't stand Natalie from day one. She is a punk who thinks she runs the house.
I hope Ronnie does what he wants to do and not listen to Jesse and Natalie of all people. All this two care about is protecting themselves. Did these HGS watch BB last year? How can they make Jesse their leader??????
CBS didn't cast the brightest group this year.

July 19, 2009 at 8:49 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Good morning everyone!

I knew Ronnie wouldn't be able to keep a secret...they wound up telling just about everyone their plan...Chima started spilling the beans to Natalie...my least favorite HG at the moment is Natalie, followed by Chima and Lydia.

Ronnie needs to play smart and get Russell out. Not for any other reason other than the others will spill to Russell that Ronnie wanted to BD Russell and they all talked Ronnie out of it.

July 19, 2009 at 8:54 AM  
Blogger LiztheGreat said...

I hope Ronnie just makes up his mind. (Preferably to put Casey or a pawn up). All this back and forth on it is driving me crazy.
What makes Ronnie think that Russell won't find out? As soon as Russell wakes up, he'll find out since the only other person who doesn't know is Casey. If Russell can keep his cool and talk Ronnie down from this, he'll have so much ammunition against Ronnie in the future.
Why does Ronnie feel the need to talk to everyone about what is essentially his move? He keeps implying that he'll protect just about everyone in the future which is such crap because people will have to go.
Gaar. I wanted to hit my comp screen a few times last night watching the live feeds.

July 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM  
Blogger *^*^*MsFitz*^*^*^ said...

Good morning Carolyn!
Good morning, All my BB addict buddies!

I hope everyone has a pleasant Sunday!

I had to turn off the feeds last night. I was going crazy. I can't even think of where to begin to comment on all the different plots that came up last night. All I really know is Russell is too smart & will catch on or since all the people they initially said they were not going to tell now know he is being considered to be BD, before tomorrow someone will tell him.

If Ronnie is so good at the game I do not understand why he has to tell almost everyone the plans he wants to hatch. I also noticed last night he is dying to make a speech at some point that will make people gasp. It cracks me up how Ronnie practices the speeches he wants to make. He wants to do something that is over the top memorable.

Lydia/Chima/Natalie are so holier than thou. Do as I say not as I do. It's all right for them to call other people names, yell at others but then when someone does it to them they were attacked,& that person is on their "S" list & needs to go. They hold grudges big time. If Lydia said it once to Jeff she said it 10 times about names he called her the 1st week. He kept trying to get across to her, that is over, done, past, can we move on?

I also don't get this thing about Jessie & he did it last season too. Wanting Casey out because he flipped his vote & "disrespected" Jessie as HOH. Give me a break, this is not a game of high morals, get over it. People can think for themselves & should think for themselves & stop w/ all this stupid mob mentality that they all have to follow what the HOH wants. I also thought he was going to be protecting Casey as much as he could. Why would Jessie take the time to talk to Casey after the Have/Have Not if he really wasn't going to try to work with him.

I think the biggest alliance in the house is Jessie/Ronnie. Ronnie was adamant about not putting Jessie up to Jordan/Jeff if they won HOH next week. And, Ronnie won't make a move unless Jessie approves it. They are riding each other coattails. Ronnie wants Jessie for his strength & Jessie wants Ronnie for his brains. Really sounds like a lose-lose situation to me! LOL!

Ok, guess i did find something to comment about.

July 19, 2009 at 9:01 AM  
Blogger MyNameIsCarol said...

It's almost like Ronnie can't conjure up a single thought for himself!! UGH! This house, this game THESE PEOPLE!! Personally, I'd love for him to open his eyes and see what kind of person Natalie is, and throw her butt up instead. Both HOH's she has been queen up in that room, and I for one am so ready to see her get brought down a notch!

July 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Hey everyone :) I'll be back in a little bit.. Making the mad dash over to Starbucks before BB wakes the HGs. :) I don't imagine that'll happen before 10am BBT today...

July 19, 2009 at 9:02 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

As much as I love Russell, it is a very smart plan to backdoor him outta this house. Him being as smart as he is, I am hoping he can flip the script & get Casey nominated. Here's the thing, I had to go to bed at 1:30 BBT last night so I need some clarification. If Casey were to be put up instead of Russell, would Casey definitely go home against Laura? I'm a lil' confused by this, lol.

Uh-oh.....is it a good thing to swallow a cherry pit!? Crap, now I gotta go on WebMD...

Morning Carolyn & Dishers!!

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM  
Blogger Boquida said...

Good morning everyone!

All of this back and forth is head spinning...did I miss something between Russell and the rest of the group? Is his behavior all an act or is there really bad blood between them all now?

July 19, 2009 at 9:05 AM  
Blogger *^*^*MsFitz*^*^*^ said...

This really bugs me watching this feed between Jessie/Lydia. Jessie is thinking that Jeff/Jordan put the idea in Ronnie's head to put up Russell & it was Lydia that did it. She did it the night he yelled at her.

Lydia said she just sits & listens when people come & talk to her. BS, she talks almost as much as Natalie.

July 19, 2009 at 9:17 AM  
Blogger johnny_5 said...

even if Laura or Casey go, they just gained russell. They actually think russ won't findout how close he was to being backdoored by his alliance? Lydia doesn't have a handle on anything. Jessie may have toned it down, but he was the voice of reason last year too it's just his reasoning is jacked up, slow, and broken.

July 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

really stupid question---what does NBK stand for?

July 19, 2009 at 9:22 AM  
Blogger mikeinbama said...


Hello Everybody :)

I think it's pretty vile that Jordan would use such a homophobic lie to save her a$$ in this game. This is the same pathetic girl that ran around the first week saying, "that's so gay" about everything until Casey put her in her place.

I know people will justify her using this slur as part of her lie to extend her game.

July 19, 2009 at 9:24 AM  
Anonymous Ballsbreaker! said...

I can't believe that Jessie is becomming one of my faves!
***Please keep Russ***
***Please keep Russ***
***Please keep Russ***
***Please keep Russ***

Bummed that he might be the re-nom.
Double bummed that my fave female Jordan lied about Russ calling Ronnie a f*g...why do ppl always resort to gay/race insults? Why???? I hope he finds out and calls her out on her lie!

***Please keep Russ********
Please keep Russ*********
Please keep Russ*******
Please keep Russ*****

Hope Ronnie realizes that if he keeps Russ of the block he has Lydia, Chima, Nat, Jessie and maybe Kevin on his side

Casey, Laura, Michelle and Jordan won't like it

Jeff will remain with the advantage of being on a four-strong team so should not be too peeved?/?

July 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM  
Blogger johnny_5 said...

Ronnie is everyone's target no matter what they tell him or who he put's up. Russell is coming for Ronron first chance. It comes down to who does ron fear more and getting the right excuse into Jessie's little head.

July 19, 2009 at 9:25 AM  
Blogger Stephanie said...

I don't wanna see Russell go but it would be a good move for Ronnie, however I really think they need to consider breaking up Natalie and Jessie before it is too late. Preferravly getting rid of Natalie first.

July 19, 2009 at 9:26 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

I just wanna say, I'm pretty sure Jordan never said the word "fa@@ot". I think she said "fat something". She may have even said Russell said "fat fuc!<)". Either Ronnie insinuated that horrible F-word or it was Lydia who told him that. I could be wrong cause it was 3 AM last night, lol.

Oh well, it doesn't matter. We shall see!!

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM  
Blogger LaQuita said...

Good afternoon Carolyn and all you fabulous dishers!

My opinion of the HG so far:

Ronnie needs to go asap. He gets on my nerves!

Russell is eye candy for sure but since he stopped hanging with the athletes I like him better, I don't want him to go.

Jordan isn't a huge threat to anyone yet. If she can get a solid alliance she might be able to hang in there.

Jeff - I'm glad he won POV and will be staying in the house.

Laura - she seems to be a pretty level headed player, hopefully she stays and we shall see.

Lydia is pure trouble for anyone she doesn't like, she campaigns with all her might to see them go!

Kevin - to me he's just there in the background.

Michele - it was good to hear her talking some game last night.

Casey - I like him

Chima can Go, she can go right now!

Natalie can go with Chima!

Jessie - he's not as bad as he was last time he was in the BB house but he needs to go anyway.

Have a wonderful day everyone, I will be here for a good part of today checking out all your comments!


July 19, 2009 at 9:33 AM  
Blogger jane said...

Hey, it just dawned on me, after this is over Jessie and Lydia could join the circus together, the world's strongest man and the tattooed lady. And I mean that with only love. I swear.

BTW, Lydia told Jessie what she does outside, and got into trouble? Any catch what??

July 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM  
Anonymous Michigan Man said...

I'm sorry but Jordan is being called out her and she did not say that word in this instance. Ronnie came up with the fa**ot part on his own. Flashback to 12:15am and watch it for yourself. Jordan said that Russel called you a fat f.. Ronnie says did he say the f word. She says no he called you a fat something. Russel called him a fat f*ck. He didn't use the word and neither did Jordan. Ronnie assumed that was the word. He told Jesse that is what Russel said. Later Laura told him that Russel called him a fat f*ck too. No one but Ronnie used the other f word.

I'm not defending Jordan because she has used the word before, ever since Michele scolded her though I haven't heard her use it, but in this case she is being accused and she didn't do it. Before all this Jordan hate comes in. This was in Ronnie's head. He is the only person who used the word.

It's not right to hate her anymore than to hate on someone else. Don't let us fall into their trap. We can go back and hear what was really said.

July 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You gotta love it. The mastermind has set himself up -- oh what to do.

Whatever he does, he has caused a chink in the armor of his alliance and there will be a split sooner than it had to happen. They are scrambling now it's hilarious.

Just watching them sitting around last night and trying to cover their lies each time they changed their mind was hilarious. They got themselves so confused, they were even coming up with lies to tell to cover lies they hadn't even told yet. Oh what a tangled web they weaved.

I LOVE Jordan, but they made her look like the smartest one in the bunch -- and with Laura's guidance, watch these two outsmart them all!

July 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Re-listening to Ronnie, Jordan & Jeff by the hammock at 12:20am BBT on feed 1....

July 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

MichiganMan ~ Thank God someone else said something. I thought I would become the enemy of the this blog, lol. Now waiting for Carolyn's verdict from the flashack...

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM  
Blogger Spunky said...

I love the blog Julie did that Patti referenced in the last set of comments... I wonder if she's doing that every week... I also wonder why she didn't mention too much about Brayden and his comments or lack thereof...

July 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM  
Blogger Boquida said...

I actually watched part of BBAD... probably not too coherently. I think Jordan was asked about Russell's comment when they initially called her up to the HOH room.

July 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM  
Anonymous Alisa said...

Well if Jordan didn't say the final F word and it was just from Ronnie, I can see where he'd think that. Not because of anything Russell has said or done but because Ronnie said a few days ago that HS was awful for him. He was accused of being gay and made fun of. We've said before that Ronnie seems to be stuck in the old HS rut of "i'm not cool, but the coold kids like me!"

He's always had the plan in his head to bd Russell, after NBK came to him with the promise to back that, he felt stronger but worried about what Jesse would say/think. To hear the Russell was calling him a fat f***, it wouldn't be much of a leap for him to "hear" or think the other f word was there.

July 19, 2009 at 10:08 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good morning, DavidB :)

Good morning, Alisa :)

Good morning, Ekmurf :) Monday..

Good morning, GayTor :) How's the sound?

Good morning, Jane :) lol. it's very sweet of you, but i can't put that up...

Good morning, Laura :) This group? Easy? Nahhhh

Good morning, Bethra :) I think there are a few puppet masters in the house this season...

Good morning, Traci :) These HGs do so much flipping, the US gymnastics team should start recruiting them.

Good morning, Deb In NY :)

July 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM  
Blogger jane said...

Just watched the 12:20. Jordan only said "fat something," not even f*uk much less fa**ot.

Man, the telephone games is hitting the blog,

July 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

Ry said...

Uh-oh.....is it a good thing to swallow a cherry pit!?

That depends on if you want to be pregnant with LllRyRedBits GaYToR. I'll pay you child support, just not Blue because we all know how he is.

(working on sound fixes and reinstalling, etc. So far to no avail.)


July 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM  
Anonymous Traci said...

Carolyn, can't wait to hear your verdict on whether Jordan used the "f" word she was asked not to use by Michelle. I can't find where she did. She used fat and f*ck, but I'm not hearing her say that word. Ronnie did say she said it though, but we know he will lie and twist things around to get people to agree with him. Can't wait to hear your opinion.

July 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good morning, Toni :)

Good morning, LizTheGreat They are a talky bunch!!

Good morning, MsFitz! :) Hehehe :) I'm glad you found something to comment about. ;)

Good morning, MyNameIsCarol :)

Good morning, Ry :) How's the cherry pit research?

Good morning, Boquida :) Welcome to the head spinning society of BB land. ;)

Good morning, Johnny_5 :) lol.. how do ya really feel? ;)

Good morning, Anon@9:22a NBK=Natural Born Killers, the name Lydia came up with for their alliance, at Ronnie's request.

Good morning, Bama! :) As it turns out, she just inferred it...

Good morning, Ballsbreaker :) I feel ya. If he goes up, he'll get to prove to all of us whether he's got game when he needs it most.

Good morning, Stephanie :)

July 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good morning, LaQuita :) Nice bloggin', chica!

Jane lol re the circus act.

Michigan Man - noted and fixed... my mistake.

July 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

Good Morning Mr. Tush.

This seems like a good day to head to a beer bust. I don't drink but I lust after the men that do.

Maybe we can pick one up and take him home. Your place or mine? I didn't do a show this week so no residual makeup to rub off on your bed linens. I can be in my manly man clothes in 5 seconds, and out of them even faster.


July 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Ry... the enemy of this blog? lol. i'm a lover, not a hater.

Spunky i think cbs wants that whole thing to peter out and go away... please feel free to copy and paste the answers into this post too. :)

Jane - listen past where she says it initially...

Traci changed it... she said "fat f'in somthin'"

July 19, 2009 at 10:22 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good morning, Redmond :) I'd love to be able to publish your comments in the future. Please have a peak at the rules...

July 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

Good morning everyone, are these sleepy heads ever gonna get up and entertain us?

July 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

This is turning into my biggest "Love to Hate 'Em" season ever. Even more than the All-HasBeens season.

Except Russell. He is on my "Love to Lust Him" list.

Carolyn, I wondered about inferred but by the time Ronnie was telling it upstairs he convinced me she did. She sure came damn close to it, and I definitely remember a slight sound glitch on my side just as she was saying it. Glad you clarified but I still don't like her. She's not as innocent as she pretends.. but then again who is in that house, that game? Still want her sent packing sooner rather than later. This week would be a good time. Let them choose between Laura and Jordan. My vote would be to keep Laura.

Let's hope someone pisses someone off early today so we have an interesting day.

I'm relying on you and the other DishChicks to keep me informed until I figure out this sound problem.


July 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Good Morning, Jay :)

Sunday's usually sleep-in day...

July 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM  
Blogger Judy in NJ said...

IMHO Ronnie added that to get Kevin riled up and be completedly on board with getting rid of Russel.

In this game, when you know what someone's hot button is, pushing it becomes easy.

July 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM  
Blogger Spunky said...

I posted this on the Night comments but reposting here in case anyone doesn't go back there today. :)

GaYToR - you CRACK me up!!! Your comment at 12:25AM about the cross-dressed HGs had me literally LOL'ing. And I was educated b/c I didn't know that straight men did shows to make a living... I assumed they were all bi or gay. ps - I LOVE going to shows and I'm a pretty straight female -- had some zig zags a few times in the past. lol

In case anyone hasn't answered None - At the bottom there is a "Low" and a "High". To see all 4 cams at the bottom you have to have it on "High".

Anon@9:30 - I live in Florida and cigarettes just went up to $5+ a pack here, but they didn't in Georgia. I live about 15 miles from Exit 3 in Georgia so it's actually cheaper to drive there and buy them. :) I quit smoking but my hubby didn't... we will see how long him driving up there lasts... lol

July 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM  
Blogger jane said...

Well, she's not the most sophisticated girl in the world, but at least Jordan's attempting to play the game, in her own little small town backward way.

The way I see it, either she has never been 20 miles outside her hometown before, or she's in line for an Emmy.

July 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

I'm watching the Flashback w/ Laura & Kevin in the bathroom & Natalie chilling in the HoH room. This is pretty funny, lol!

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 10:29 AM  
Anonymous Michigan Man said...

Morning Carolyn, fellow BB addicts.

Last night Laura and Michele were talking about how to keep Laura and I think that they should go to Jesse and Russel and make a deal. Here's the thing. The only crazy people right now are Ronnie, Lydia, by default Kevin, Natalie and Chima. If Laura, Michele, Jordan, Jeff and Casey got Russel and Jesse with them they could go to Ronnie and say put up Chima or your going home next week. Do it before the back door Russel plan goes into affect.

It might work because I think that besides Ronnie, maybe even him now, Jesse is getting tired of putting out the fires that the natural born whiners start.

Other than that I don't see much hope for her staying. Other than the back door Russel plan going through.

July 19, 2009 at 10:32 AM  
Blogger GaleLuvsBB11 said...

I think Ronnie is much more terrified of hurting Jessies lil feelings then anything else. He wants to please the Man.. his idol!
I hope he does what he wants to do not what Jessie wants. I mean why play the game so strategically that u have people on both sides still talking to you, then ask everyones opinion of what to do. Do it already!
Last nite was so crazy, totally insane, everyone talkin at once. Natalie and Jessie want Ronnie to do whats best for them... at least some of the others sorta semi care what the outcome would do to Ronnie. I think he needs to take out Russell now while he can, the chance may never come again.
And Jessie said " First chance I get I myself will put Russell up! " Well he cant do that.. Russell is on his team!
Do u all go to bed and dream of this!? I do!

July 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

G'morning, Gale! :) You make me smile :)

July 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM  
Blogger GaleLuvsBB11 said...

Hi there Carolyn lol!
I seem to have that affect on lots of people but im so glad ur one of them lol!

July 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM  
Blogger Genie Sea said...

Morning Carolyn! :)

Morning everyone! :)

The one thing that keeps me laughing is that Ronnie, the champion of Persuasive Talking can't make up his mind and is allowing himself to be persuaded...

July 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM  
Blogger Spunky said...

Ry... what time and camera is that on?

July 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM  
Anonymous Michigan Man said...

Right there with you Ry. I just couldn't let poor Jordan get ganged up on, she gets enough of that in the house.

July 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM  
Blogger Stephanie said...

Obviously they can't be in cliques forever but I really think they need to put a kink in the Athletes, like I said I'd rather it not be Russell but on the other hand like so many of you pointed out, they may not get the opportunity again.

& Good Morning, Carolyn. =)

I wish it were Tuesday already.. I'm dying to see the POV comp!

July 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM  
Blogger Stephanie said...

Ronnie can't put up Chima - she's in his clique

July 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM  
Anonymous Michigan Man said...

The other really weird thing last night was when Jesse and Ronnie were talking at one point in the HOH room, others were there but forget who all who can keep track anymore, he said me, her pointing at Natalie and Chima have your best interests at heart. I find it weird since Lydia's name didn't come up.

It's funny how Chima has now become a much bigger part of that dynamic once she started hanging out with Natalie.

Jesse does seem to have a separate plan going on with Lydia but who knows. Might just being doing the same thing as Ronnie and trying to cover all bases, well most bases.

July 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Spunky - I added the time and camera to the post.

Mich & Ry - ya gotta know that was never my intent. ;)

Stephanie - Good news - We'll all see BB10 winner Dan tonight on the Sunday Show. :)

July 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

Curtis must be enjoying a break form all the madness

July 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM  
Blogger spyke6666 said...

Good morning Carolyn and fellow dishers. I really don't wanna see Russel go, but strategically i think it's a great move in the game.

July 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

Carolyn ~ We know it was never ure intent! You're a very strong supporter of gay's in this blogosphere world, so I know you would never purposely try to make someone look bad. We <3 you Carolyn!!

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't they (the other side) see that Kevin is just lurking around trying to relay info/convos?? he's a little too obvious w/ it lately... i wonder if he's doing it on his own or if he's being asked to go outside after every little meeting they have..

July 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM  
Blogger *^*^*MsFitz*^*^*^ said...

I know this has already been clarified & I'm glad it was.

Ry & Michigan Man were absolutely correct regarding Jordan's use of the word "F" & the fact she did not say it. I also agree 100% w/ Michigan Man & his comments regarding Jordan.

July 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Speaking of my man, Dan, I hope CBS shows Natalie prying into his personal life. I think the TV only crowd needs to know exactly how she is.

July 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM  
Blogger Ry said...

Spunky ~ Laura in HoH w/ Natalie coming ~ 2:20AM on Camera 2. 2:22AM is when Natalie is coming, pretty funny!

~ Ryan ~

July 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM  
Anonymous Michigan Man said...

Carolyn, absolutely not.

I just saw what Gaytor had posted and wondered where he got that idea. I assumed that there was something in the overnight. I read it and since I had saw it myself I knew what you meant. To me it seemed vague so I just wanted to point out she might not be a saint but Jordan wasn't the bad person this time.

Think nothing of it. We all help each other. With the wonderful wayback machine this year no one has to be in the dark the way the HGs are.

Seems like I just got up and got done watching all the happening last night and it's already time for work again. Well hopefully nothing to crazy happens while I'm gone. See you all before the show tonight. Can't wait to see Dan.

July 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM  
Anonymous madi said...

i agree with you ry. i dont recall hearing her say that. i think ronnie was the one that said not her. she did say fat fuck but i dont remember the fa**ot. i was pretty coherent last night so i dont see how i could get this wrong. lol.

July 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM  
Anonymous Ballsbreaker! said...

hmmm...pardon my manners the first time around...totally forgot to say >>> morning to Carolyn and my fellow dishers<<< !!!! Relieved to hear that Jordan did not say the derog *F* word. Now I like her again...this game really makes you learn stuff about yrself (if you analyze who you like/dislike and why) too no? Happy Sunday to all! I really hope Russ stays though...love looking at him!

July 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

I just created a more user friendly archive for BB11... please have a look and let me know what you think... :)

BB11 Archive

July 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

from my earlier comment, I think I said Curtis and I meant Casey is probably enjoying a break from the madness this morning :)

July 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM  
Blogger thezanyone said...

Morning, folks!!! Just trying to catch up on everything. Back in a few!

July 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM  
Blogger JulieB said...

Good morning Carolyn :)
Good morning ReporterX and Dishchicks!

Good morning Gaytor and Blue :P

Good morning my BB addict buddies!!

Did you miss me yesterday?? My sister is in town so we needed to do some family bonding! Only person missing was my brother. We had a nice relaxing day, went for breakfast, then headed to the market, then my dad took us out for lunch and my mom cooked us supper. I didn't have to do a thing! Those are the best kinda days :)

When I got home last night, we had sever thunderstorm warnings issued that had potential for tornadoes. Holy moly! I had 2 crazy hail storms, the wind was insane (thankfully, I had no trees land on my house altho lots of people did) Power was trying hard to go out. So I was glued to the radio and tv for updates. And calling my mom since they did lose power. My daughter was totally freaked out...anyways that's enough that you get the picture....and that's my excuse for not getting here once! :)

Now I need to go catch up! All the flipping and lies and and and and (insert dramatics here) they sure keep it interesting!

July 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM  
Blogger *^*^*MsFitz*^*^*^ said...

Carolyn - the BB11 Archive post is fantastic!!

July 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Morning, Zany :)

Good Morning, JulieB!! :) Sounds like a wonderful day!! Of course we missed you, silly!

July 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

Very interesting comments this morning. I'm sorta glad that the HGs are still asleep. It gives everyone a chance to express their views without interruption via updates and feed shocking surprises.

Still can't get this sound working. I've tried everything except uninstalling RP, and only because I can't find the place to do it. I'm just banging my head against the keyboard and it's amazing but the letters now imprinted on my forehead are "PH**K ME!" Or is that amazing, or even surprising. Guess it's probably more like expected. :-p~ (Looking at Bama, Ry, and Muchigan, with a wink to Indigo, my Prince. Umbeta could be on that list too, but don't think I have seen a post from him today. Any other people of the male persuasion that I missed? Feel free to add your name to the list.

Think I will do a bit of shopping today. The heat and THI aren't as bad as they have been the past few weeks. There are actually some things we need and I don't care about WWSS.

Maybe when I return, the sound will be fixed on its own like last time.

Want to get this done before the show tonight so I need to shower and get out of da house.

Looking forward to reading the Blog when I get back.


July 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM  
Blogger Genie Sea said...

The archive looks great Carolyn :)

July 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM  
Blogger Toni said...

Great job on the BB11 Archive post!!

July 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ronnie is brilliant! Clearly he wants to get Russell out but he's trying to make it seem like he is going back and forth in front of everyone, and also trying to cover his butt in case something goes wrong. Whatever the outcome is this week, he has somehow managed to manipulate everyone into not putting him up next week (except Russell).

4-athletes, 2 pops, 3-offbeats, 3-brains.

If all 4 athletes make it to the Jury (which is a pretty high probability if Russell is still there), they might each vote for each other in the end. At the very least, the longer all 4 stay and dominate the competition, they can't put each other up...so that means everyone else is loosing numbers.

July 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

excellent job on the archives page, we dishers are grateful

July 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM  
Blogger JulieB said...

LOVE the archive! Will certainly help me out!!! :)

July 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM  
Blogger thezanyone said...

♪☺♥♥♥ heh just figured out how to do the little symbols on this laptop. WOOOGA

♥♥ to Carolyn. Going grocery shopping this afternoon. making cookies. will those do??

as a total side note....when we got married, we saved money on the wedding bands, telling each other we would upgrade those for our one year anniversary....we picked mine out yesterday. just waiting on it to come in....lots of pretty sparkly things....I'll post pictures when I get it. WOOOO

July 19, 2009 at 11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love the archive Carolyn -- THANKS! Will make it much faster to find what I missed during the week and catch up sooner! I really appreciate it!!!!

July 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

:) Glad you're digging the archive :)

FYI - the link for it will remain at the top of "Dishy Links" on the left sidebar.

July 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

anon@11:36am - Please email me that link, so I can look first and see if it's something i can legally publish here. dishchicks at yahoo dot com

July 19, 2009 at 11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good day Carolyn & BBDishers!! (Hi Gaytor, my fellow cajun!) Wow last nite was the biggest flip flop, kiss a$$ session I've seen on BB in a long time! Wonder who will have the brownest nose by the POV ceremony!

Don't know why but I just really don't like (a few I can't stand!)the HG's this time around. There's at least 1 or 2 I like that actually plays w/a bit if dignity. (ie Dan) Maybe it's just me. The name calling is soooooo HS. I guess if you were in this crazy house you'd have to live by the "sticks & stones" or "I'm rubber, you're glue". Childest bunch I've ever seen!!

Anyhoo, hope everyone has a great sunday!

HanHaysMom (Donna T in Louisiana)

July 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

yay! Russell is finally up for the day

July 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Hey, HanHaysMom!!! - Happy Sunday! :) I agree - this bunch is intense...

It's interesting to me - Julie told them, you're back in high school, and they've mostly all regressed there...

Heck of a social experiment...

July 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM  
Blogger GaleLuvsBB11 said...

Looks awesome Carolyn!!!!!

okies Im gonna walk away from the puter for awhile today, and make believe I have shopping money to spend, and go try on new clothes I cant buy lol
Gonna let yall know what I didnt get when I get back lol!
Big hugs to everyone!

July 19, 2009 at 11:47 AM  
Blogger Genie Sea said...

I read an paper once whose premise was that most people have not changed in mentality since high school. This show may very well prove it :)

July 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM  
Blogger Spunky said...

Carolyn... On my Facebook profile, where it says "Website", I put the bbdish one... Is that okay??

July 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Alisa said...

A friend and I were talking about this HS dynamic. That stuff never really leaves you. If you were a geek and mistreated, it doesn't matter how successful you are, you always have that inside you. Same with jocks, offbeats etc.

Put into a house and "forced" into high school cliques, that stuff will flood to the forefront again. The dynamic I think is interesting is whether the cliques they're in in the house are the same as the one they truly were in back in HS. I think Chima was probably in the populars as was Casey.

Very interesting experiment indeed Carolyn.

July 19, 2009 at 11:53 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

Before I run out the door...

Hi HanHaysMom It's nice to see another fellow cajun joining us. How cajun are ya Boo?

Carolyn I took a quickie look at the new Archives. Love it! Mistress of the Dish strikes again. She may be a wuss at times but she's also one sharp cookie.

Genie Sea again I will say you did a most excellent job last night.

OK, I'm off to spend money I don't have.


July 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM  
Anonymous Chell said...

Last Night was crazy!! I needed to go to bed but I couldn't turn off the feeds! I don't think I've seen so much flip flopping before!! I really hope Ronnie sticks to the plan to put up Russell! It really depends on who's in Ronnie ear right before the POV ceremony. Does anyone know when that it is?

I agree with Bertha that commented earlier the one that's being the puppet master is Lydia! She's one to watch out for!

July 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM  
Blogger jane said...

Watching some of the flash back. Tell me, is Ronnie a great player or a hot mess? On one hand he's completely neurotic and out of his freaking mind, but on the other hand he is getting away with it.

July 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM  
Blogger GaYToR said...

One more before I go....

Another hint to help you keep up when posts are flying...

Before you F5, make note of the time of the last post. That way you can go back to the last one without having to re-read those close to it.

This has been a GaYToR PSA. We now return you to your regular posting, already in progress.


July 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM  
Anonymous redsoxfan said...

Jordan might not have used the fa**** word last night but she does use it. Remember Michelle scolding her for it?

When she apologized to her, she said she uses it all the time and was going to try hard not to anymore.

July 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM  
Anonymous amber in mwc said...

Here we go again with the "we can do it another time".Hasn't anyone learned their lessons? Those ppl are generally the ones that win the game or stay almost to the end while the ppl saying " we can wait" are out of the house.

Nothing personal against Russell.

July 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Spunky - you betcha! :) thanks!

GayTor - Thanks hon, but... WWSS?? ;p

Hi Chell!!!!

Hi RedSoxFan! :)

Hey Amber! :)

New Top Post!!

July 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM  
Blogger thezanyone said...

Alisa: I was wondering about the true cliques in HS, too. If I remember correctly from last season, Jessie's mom talked about how he was such a little guy in HS. HE might have been an athlete, but I don't think so.

I don't know which group I would have been in. I did sports, and brainy stuff, and had a good amount of friends and people knew who I was...to the extent that a few years later in college a girl walked up to me and knew who I was from HS. She was excited to be in the same class with me in college. (weird, weird, weird). I always felt like an outsider though since I went to three different high schools in two different states. Never felt like I fit in anywhere, with all of those people who knew each other from elementary school.

Which group would everyone else be in?

July 19, 2009 at 12:13 PM  
OpenID KScooterfox said...

Good Morning/Afternoon everyone! I just want to thank you all for the info on the feeds! I refuse to get them because I won't get anything done for watching them round the clock! As it is I have to run around like a crazy lady getting things done in the last half hour before my husband gets home!
I so enjoy reading everything that everyone has to say!
Carolyn, you are awesome! I don't know how you do it.
Has anyone thought that Jesse maybe telling them to keep Russell because he secretly wants him out? You know, reverse physcology? (sp)
I hope and pray that whoever gets HOH next gets that big fat liar Ronnie out!
Jeff, Laura and Jordon could keep going if they play their cards right....
Gnat,Lydia, and Chima need to go, go, go! I don't even like to watch when they are on.
Keep up the good work Carolyn, you keep me sane while watching and reading! If I lived in Florida I would personally bring you your daily Starbucks fix!!
Kim in Texarkana

July 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM  
Blogger ncg said...

Hey, I just want to let you know as well as per updates, They secretly cut a deal with Laura in HOH. They tried to hide the fact that she was up there from Jes and Nat and they had her hide in the bathroom when Nat came up, with the veil that Kevin was in the shower.. Laura was game, and they had to sneak her out, but who knows with Ronnie's wavering if it will stand...

July 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am totally getting dizzy with all this. Since I have been watching BB since year 1, you'd think I would remember how nuts it gets in there, but I really think that this year we have some really savy players that know the game well.

Laura.........knows it real well
Ronnie..........not only does he
seem to know it well, but
the guy talks some verbal
vomit like no one I've ever
seen. No one can keep up
with what he's saying.
(which is absolutley nothing)
Jessie........I'm actually
surprised how well he seems
to know the game.
Jeff.....a nice reprieve:
c l u e l e s s..but cute
as hell.
Jordan............again a
surprise how she is smarter
than I thought.
Natalie........has she even said
anything of substance yet??
Maybe I missed it??????
OK she knows the game
somewhat, but I don't like
giving her any credit.
Kevin..........Does he speak??
Michelle.......I think she knows
it better than she lets on.
Chima........The only time she
speaks is to insult
someone. I still can't
believe she said that to
Julie. Does she know that
she is pregnant??
Russell.....He knows what he's
doing, no dummy there.
Lydia.......Can't tell what she
knows, because she is too
busy acting dumb to impress
Casey.......Don't care what he
knows, he is by far the
most honest and up front
person in the house, and
I'm rooting for him.

But I'm enjoying this year as usual. And by the way thanks to all of you who give us these updates, its the only way I know whats going on even with the live feeds, and Showtime and the flashback machine. I work full time and can catch right up when i come to BBDish. Love you all, especially you Carolyn.


July 19, 2009 at 3:12 PM  
Blogger Debi said...

Good evening, Caro and fellow BB addicts! I opened this post about noon and have been coming back and forth as I do chores to try to read comments....I am so behind in reading posts, let alone comments! But I'm trying to catch up and the new archive post is going to be a wonderful help in that! Thank you, Carolyn! :)

Okay, now this is the sentence in your post that made me LOL:

"Jessie as elder statesman. Who'da thunk it?"


I agree with some others, he seems to have learned a bit from his past mistakes, or maybe he has just matured a bit, but he isn't nearly as annoying as he was last season. Still not really a fan, but at least I don't want to puke everytime he opens his mouth. LOL

Don't really have any clear faves this season, but liking Lydia less and less...I thought she was really smart and had some good game moves, but now, I'm not so sure of either....but she IS fairly manipulative...but that makes her less likable without at least one of the first two...I just keep hoping I'm wrong about that and she really is the cool, smart BB gamer I first thought she was. *sigh*


July 19, 2009 at 4:43 PM  

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