Wakey Wakey, PoV Spoiler & Aftermath
Good morning, BB Lovers! Happy PoV Saturday! Elissa revealed her true intention to Judd last night: Backdoor Amanda. If anyone but Amanda wins the PoV, she will go up, be it next to Aaryn or McCrae.
The HGs picked players for PoV last night just before midnight. In addition to Elissa, McCrae and Aaryn, Judd, Ginamarie and Amanda will be playing. Since Amanda will be playing in the PoV, it could be said that this is not a true backdoor, but since the intent was there, it's up for interpretation.If this this your 1st time on BBDish today, ya gotta go read The Overnight Report~PoV Player Picking ~ Fight Night!
It's action-packed! Big Fight! GM's head about exploded.. and who doesn't like a good GM Kaboom?
BB woke the HGs and Started the PoV Comp at 10am.. The Feeds are back and the PoV Spoiler is in this post!
Please refresh the post periodically for new info.
By request, I'm putting the tip jar into the post this morning. The cel phone only readers never see it otherwise, and as much as I wish I could afford to do this 18+ hours a day for free, until such time as I win the lottery, I cannot.
10:00am Wake up Fishies.
10:02am Trivia ~~ Could it be? Could they be starting the PoV Comp right away this morning? As a card carrying member of the coffee addicted, I'm calling Caffeine Abuse!
10:15am Still trivia! Wow.. Wakey Wakey PoV?! A few @BigBrotherDish followers on twitter are suggesting that perhaps Zingbot is waking them up? It's possible, but they tend to show us Zingbot on the feeds.. Either way.. Please feel free to move about your lives and enjoy your weekend.. We'll be here... either with updates or spoilers. :-)
12:55pm Still trivia!
For a very telling flashback while we wait, go to Thursday, August 22 - 11.36am on - Cam 3/4, Elissa tells Helen that if she wins HoH, she would put up Aaryn and McCrae, and then backdoor Amanda, but wouldn't tell anyone that it's her plan.
1:15pm Amanda has won the PoV!
Amanda: I won something. And it was hard. And it was physical. I'm gonna start to win stuff now. (whispers) Aaryn needs to stay. She'll get her out next week.
Well.. That puts a kink in the plans for the week!
1:24pm
Rainbow Room
McCrae, Amanda, Aaryn
Loyal to a fault, Amanda wants to keep their 4 together.. 3AM.
Aaryn: She's like, Aaryn, I think I made a mistake by putting you up.
Amanda: When? After the veto?
Aaryn: (nods yes)
Amanda: haha!
McCrae: I just don't want Andy to go up.
Amanda: I don't care who you're up against, you're staying this week, and she's going home next week.
Aaryn: Whoever is loyal to me this week, I'll be loyal to forever. I swear to God.
Amanda: I know.
1:26pm
HoH -Bathroom
GM and Elissa
Elissa: I've never been so freaking annoyed in my life. Andy's going up. They're gonna want you to go up.
Ginamarie: I worked my f'in ass off.
1:31pm
Cam 3
McCrae and Spencer
Spencer: That girl is a lunatic. She's in there talkin' to Nick's picture, by the way.
1:33pm
Bathroom
Cam 1
Amanda: I trust you. I have my sales pitch for you.
Aaryn: I was like, Spencer, obviously she's trying to backdoor Amanda. He frrrreaked out on me when I didn't pick him.
Andy: Who the hell is she gonna put up?
Aaryn: Spencer. Will I stay against Spencer?
Andy: Yes.
Amanda: And then we'll have our 4..
Aaryn: This is exactly why I picked Judd.. Hopefully, he'll vote to keep me.
Amanda: GM can go f herself.
Aaryn: She's gonna try to work with you now.
Amanda: She can eat my asshole, with a silver spoon.
Andy: When I went up there with GM, she wanted me to leave.
Aaryn: You're not going up, Andy.
1:42pm
HoH
Elissa and Judd
Cam 3
Elissa: Andy's so annoying and he drives me frigging insane.
Judd: So it wouldn't matter if I got rid of him..
Elissa: Oh my gosh.. This sucks..
Judd: I was tryin' to stay with big points..
Elissa: I know you have to kind of stay neutral..
Judd: I never thought she would win that ever.
Elissa: It's like the worse case scenario.. This always happens in Big Brother.. (cries) And I'm gonna go home now. Everyone who goes against them always goes home.
Judd: Aaryn's gonna go home. I'm gonna win HoH next week.
1:46pm
Aaryn to HoH
Elissa: Next week, will you target me?
Aaryn: I don't wanna say who I'll put up, because I need votes right now. If I wanna stay here, I have to like, play the game.
1:50pm
Cam 3
Bathroom
Amanda and Aaryn
Amanda: Even if Andy goes up, I'm gonna tell McCrae, you will be here til the final 3.
Aaryn: Judd wants to vote me out now..
Amanda: Everyone will go home over you. I'll make sure of it. Just don't do weird shit.
Aaryn: I told you why I was doing that.
Amanda: I get what you were doing.
Amanda: We have a week. We have to make sure that GM's on the block, or that you get her back under your control.
1:54pm
Bathroom
Cam 3 and 4
Andy: If she puts me up, there's no way I'll go home, right?
Amanda: There's no way.
Aaryn enters..
Aaryn: I'm f'ing nervous. I don't want people telling me I'm gonna stay if I'm gonna go. I will be a bitter jury member.
Andy: Same.
Amanda's coming up with a plan to try and get Elissa to put Ginamarie up as the ReNom.. Spark up your feeds, folks! What a day! What a day! The house is going bonkers! It's a must see!
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posted by CarolynBBDish @ 10:06 AM
217 Comments:
Anybody but Amanda for the win. To bad everyone thinks that Elissa decisions are Helens. Elissa told Helen that this was her plan. Glad that Elissa doesn't trust Andy, she's on to him.
if amanda wins pov and tkes mccrae off, can elissa put up amanda as the renom?
I think Zingbot is usually when there is 7 people isnt it? I just feel like the zings are used later and there are less than 8
if amanda wins pov and takes mccrae off, can elissa put up amanda as renom?
in the event amanda wins pov...if amanda takes down mccrae, can elissa put up amanda?
Morning Carolyn...
I am loving watching Elissa mess with everyones head. It's just brutal that she keeps laughing at Amanda even when Amanda has the water works employed. It isn't the best strategy on Elissa's part but she isn't going to win anyway so I am thoroughly amused with her antics at this point in the game.
Not much Carolyn, wish it was more but hit the tip jar!!
Thanks for all you do.
Judy in NJ
I thought in seasons past we got to see zingbot on the feeds, thank you for reminding me and helping my psychi (LOL).
I do not follow with DR leading these people, but that the questions they pose help these people in this pressure cooker think more clearly on their own.
Thanks again Caro, I got to sleep again knowing the news would be here this A.M. :) Hugs Girl.
Good Morning Carolyn,
Good Morning BB Dishers,
Happy Saturday :)
GM always amazes me, just when I then she can't get any madder (hehe) she does.
Thank you for the terrific TOR Carolyn..
Have a wonderful Saturday everyone, especially you Carolyn our fearless leader!!!!! ;);) xoxox
Pam ((((hugs))))
Elissa is not as clueless as previously believed. Is that her interpretation of gameplay. Being so contradictory so she keeps them all confused is not a bad way to go. I have a niece who has an iq off the charts, she also scored a 1590 in her SATS. Grant you that was in the 80's, but my point here is she is so brilliant book wise but she doesn't have the common sense to come in out of the rain. I wonder if that is Elissa playing the game. Just thinking out loud I guess.
M Halloran - If Amanda wins POV and uses it on McCrae, she cannot be nominated...she would be safe as the POV winner. This is the one and only scenario where both A and M are safe.
I promise I will try to make this my last long post of the day. This happens to me every year. I seem to turn against the HGs that are considered to be the 'good' people. Is it because I like the 'bad' people better? No, but their behavior is obvious. It's in your face. I don't respect Aaryn, GM or Amanda-nor do I hate them. I don't hate Elissa, nor do I respect her. I like to look at things from every angle.
Aaryn-She is pretty, she seems to be well spoken and educated and she seems to have a good work ethic. Is she a racist, racially insensitive, plain and simply ignorant or a product of her environment? I don't know. If she has never felt herself to be a racist and if this isn't a family trait, I think she can change. Her best chance is to watch this show surrounde by people who will love and support her but will also point out what she did wrong rather than excusing or condoning it.
GM-She no doubt, has a huge heart. She does not seem educated and I would assume, struggled with what education she did receive. I would guess that she is very much a product of her environment. Whether it came from family or people she surrounds herself with I don't know. She plays into the Jersey stereotype. I am not implying all people from Jersey act that way, I am specifically commenting on the Jersey Shore subculture. Because her lifestyle probably won't change, I doubt that she will ever change.
Amanda-She is a conundrum. She has so much that is likable about her but has done so many unlikable things. I suspect she plays a character a lot, whether to cover up insecurities or because she enjoys being an actress and comedian. Somehow it went terribly wrong. I don't know how much is the real her and how much is the character. I think because of the HGs she was surrounded by this year she thought she could join in and do it bigger and badder. I don't know if she would have been different in a different season. If this is a character she chose to play, I suspect she will have deep regrets when she realizes how people feel about her. If this is the real Amanda, I would believe she may need help. I think she will be sorry and I think she can change. One thing I do respect-when she fights it is ugly and uncomfortable but when she games, she keeps it on game level and does not make it personal as she proved with her conversations with Helen.
I spend more time talking about the Elissa's and Helen's because everyone talks about the GM's, Aaryn's and Amanda's. I just feel like if we could all see that even the worst people have good qualities and even the best people have flaws there would be so much less animosity in BB with 'good' vs. 'evil' every year.
I notice small things (thank you live feeds). The night of the mattress flipping, what bothered me far more than the heated fight between GM, Aaryn and Candice, was watching Kaitlin. She didn't say as much so she came off looking like the good girl who fell in with the wrong crowd. She sat in that room egging in on and then sat there grinning from ear to ear and laughing. It was so obvious that she was enjoying seeing her friends make fools of themselves and seeing Candice being hurt-those are the things that I pick up on and that's why it is so hard or me to keep my opinions to myself.
I'm sorry for preaching. I am done.
I don't think Elissa is clueless at all. And I don't think Elissa really wants to win. But I do think she would love to take out Amanda or McCrea or even Aaryn for that matter. And she will go down in the history of BB if she can backdoor Amanda!!! Well, in my opinion anyway
I don't think though if she wins POV and uses it on McCrae that she can be put up. But I am really not that savy to all the rules
Ugh....I got, got..lol
I'll repost here what I said on TOR:
Good Morning Carolyn!! another long night!!
I awoke to trivia, so it's giving me time to think all this through...
I've been in the chats all season trying to squash the rumor mill (at least in the Dish room, and this latest rumor about Elissa's plans being changed in DR is just another one of those.
Do I think maybe DR might have asked a few questions that maybe Elissa should have already been asking herself, And maybe she actually saw the light and changed her plans? Yeah, that's probably more like it.
I have been referencing a blog written by a former HG, and BB winner, all season when addressing this DR interference rumor, that seems to come up every year...and it really opened my eyes about what actually goes on in there, and why so many HG's always feel that DR told them to this, or that... I would post the link, but out of respect for Carolyn I will not do so unless she says it's OK.
I think all along Elissa had an idea that using Amanda as replacement nom was an option, and Helen did lay out this plan to her before leaving. I don't think Elissa really thought it work though, until she started answering DR questions, and figured it all out through her own answers...
I haven't been an Elissa fan all season, however if Elissa had been the person I've seen the past 24 hours, I probably would have liked her...her talk with GM in HoH last night showed a side of her, a down to earth human side that I hadn'r seen until now. And to see GM actually gain just a little bit of self respect during that conversation, and see the inner person shine through was amazing...I truly believe if Elissa had been the kind and loving Elissa we saw last night with all the HG's all season she may have just been a good enough influence on them all that we wouldn't have had all the rude remarks and comments we have had this season.
That being said, I'm no Amanda fan either...her time has come, and it's time to go home. Amanda missed her shot early on by not realizing how heavily her strategy relied on Helen's, and not teaming with Helen from the get go...with Helen gone, Amanda's strategy went too...With Amanda controlling the HoH's target each week, and Helen selling the "vote for who HoH is targeting" mantra, if they had workeed to gether to selectively pick off the HG's 1 by 1, they could have been an unstoppable duo...especially if noone caught onto them working together. But als, that was not meant to be....Amanda, I hope you enjoy your time in Jury house, dear!
Going forward...with Amanda gone, Judd, Spencer, and Mccrea could get together and work to remove the rest of the house, maybe drag Aaryn along for good measure and "Brigade" her, or even Elissa...Every Brigade needs a Britney after all...lol
Just some of my random thought for today....I'll shut up now and let you all get back to trivia!!
To answer some peoples questions no if Amanda wins and takes McCrae down she can't be nominated. At least that's the way it has worked past seasons.
Rules state whoever wins POV can't be a nom so if Amanda wins she can't go up. I hope Aaryn wins it
Reposted from TOR --
Good morning, Jerry! :)
Good morning, Natural Grace! :)
Good morning, Sharelle! :) Me too!
Good morning, Zany!! Good morning, Baby Zany!! :) Good morning, Hubby Zany!! ;)
Good morning, Bressa! :) Thank you!
Good morning, Skeptik! :) Veddy interesting!
Good morning, SoftballMom! ((((hugs!))) Thank you!
Good morning, Other Carolyn! :) Thank you very much for the suggestion! I put it into the morning post.. I sleep in the Fall. ;0)
Good morning, LScott! Amanda saw it coming from the get go..
Good morning, Ostriches! :) You bet!
Good morning, KarenG! :) Aww! Thank you very, very much!! I agree - Michigan Man, I dub thee..
Good morning, Grendon! :)) Prehaps a new line of rubber bracelets? WWJM? Who would Jesus mock?
Good morning, Jumbo :) (x2) They ask questions, the HGs get ideas, it has always been thus.
Good morning, Nancy! :) hahaha
Good morning, Jovany! :) Thank you very much! It's nice to see you in the comment section! ~clink!
Good morning, Samantha1426! :) Miracles can happen!
Good morning, Chichi! :) If AManda wins PoV and takes McCrae off the block, they are both safe.
Good morning, Tiffany-Jade :)
Good morning, Michigan Man! :) I think you need a nme change - Mr Wonderful!
Good morning, Ric Amaguin! :) Nice! Thanks! I'm checking it out now...
Good morning, Cortneechiwa! :))
Good morning, Pally! :) XOXOXO!!! Thank you! And Thank God! I'm so happy to see you HERE! ♥U!
Good morning, Yasmin! :) hehehehe! I've had that same thought more than once!
Good morning, Paula :) Breathe.. :0)
Good morning, Michelle! :)) Happy Saturday to you!
Good morning, Diane64! :) Per Ric - For a very telling flashback while we wait, go to Thursday, August 22 - 11.36am on - Cam 3/4, Elissa tells Helen that if she wins HoH, she would put up Aaryn and McCrae, and then backdoor Amanda, but wouldn't tell anyone that it's her plan.
Good morning, Nancy! :)
Good morning, DeborahK! :) Thank you very much!!
Good morning, Angel1! :) I'm so glad you're enjoying!
Good morning, Chella! Welcome back!! Congrats!!!!
Good morning, JuliaO! :) Have a wonderful Saturday!
Good morning, ???? :) Thank you very much! TOR stands for The Overnight Report :)
Good morning, AngieHoops! :)
David Lockner
I am hoping for a guy reunion/alliance. The girls have been too emotional and unlikable. Originally I was hoping for Goof Troop part 2. But long before Judd came back and referred to Amanda as the devil, I knew she would never let McCrae work with Judd. For that reason, I was more than ok with her being evicted. Unfortunately, Judd seems to have a lot of anger directed at McCrae so right now the idea of them working together doesn't sound so good. Of course, a week can be a long time in BB land. Hopefully something will change. I, for one, am not a Julissa fan.
Good morning, FLGirl! :) I put the flashback in the post.
Good morning, MHalloran :) No, If amanda wins, she's safe, even if she uses it on mcc
Jumbo - It varies..
Good morning, MattU! :)) I agree - even if Elissa makes it to final 2, I can't see the HGs making her richer.
Good morning, Judy and Rob! :) Thank you VERY Much! HUGS!!
Good morning, Pammmmm!!! :) Thank you! Happy Saturday, sweetie! Did you ever get my email? (((hugs!!))
Good morning, Susan! Or should I just call you Auntie? ;)
Good morning, Melanie :)) Thanks
Grendon :) hehehehe - write on, love, write on ;)
Paula :) you are correct, If Amanda wins and uses the PoV on McCrae, she cannot be put up.
Good morning, DavidLockner! :) I know just the post. Did YOU know Jun was a guest blogger here for a season? ;) Post at will.
Good morning, Basal Mouse! :) gracias
Good morning, Syngl! :) Correct!
Thanks Carolyn. I am breathing! Just voicing my opinion. Is that okay? And where are the rules found for the BB game. I don't think I have ever seen them
good morning all and wow i read all the comments some very good long posts laid out there ty for the read.
Hi Tiff :) How goes the GED prep? Or did you take it already? Forgive me.. my brain's fuzzy.
Hi Paula :) Absolutely :) Voice away. You just seemed agitated. I was concerned.
Personally, I don't think Elissa is done, I just think this is the first week she has been able to play the game her way. In the past, she had no support, even Helen has shot down her ideas so many times. Finally with Helen gone and winning HOH, she is able to do something. We have seen Elissa be kind to Candice so we know that has always been there so her being kind to GM is not a surprise to me. I think she knows that GM is a person who takes on the behaviors and charateristics of the people she is around. JMHO
Thank you Carolyn, I did remember that from a few seasons back, I just didn't know if there had been some sort of falling out or not...I couldn't remember...
So for those interested in what really goes on in the DR, here's a great article written by Jun Song earlier this season...
http://jundishes.com/2013/07/23/big-brother-diary-room-faqs/
Grendon, I agree...going forward for Judd, Elissa is not his strongest ally, but Judd is really not showing his hand yet since he came back, other than making sure he isn't going right back out the door this week...I think the events of this week will make up his mind for him who to join with....without Amanda there to control McCrea, we may very well see a guys reunion...
It doesn't bother me at all that Elissa lied right to Amanda's face. That is the game.
Laughing at her face, repeatedly, is repulsive.
I so hope this goes according to Elissa's plan and Amanda goes home. I only wish she knew that MCCrae threw her under the bus.
One constant, from year to year, is that each houseguests thinks the other houseguest is the biggest liar, and the worst ..... whatever.
As for Amanda, I didn't like her from the first week. I think the first comment I ever wrote was how toxic she was. I remember when the feeds first started up how nasty she was, how hard she was going after Elissa. Mccrea changed her target and she became an attack dog to get David out.
Mccrea has to constantly keep her from going off on others. She baits people, pushing buttons until they go off, and then just rises above the fray with that, "who me?" look and smarmy vitriol.
It will be interesting, if she leaves, to see if Mccrea can do something besides lay in bed, eat, smoke and say yeah, yeah, yeah. He sure has never lifted a hand to do anything else.
I'm with whoever remarked on the new Elissa if she had been this way from the beginning it would have been a much more interesting dynamic in the house. As to the DR thing her plan, from the beginning was to backdoor Amanda. She just didn't tell anyone else. The DR may have let her know that there would be an early POV and she thought it was time to bring in some allies.
Paula, I don't think I've ever seen published rules for BB. They have evolved over time. If I remember correctly when the Veto first appeared they could be put up if they vetoed someone on the block, I think they changed the rule the next year.
Somebody goes home every week. I dont think Elissa is a mastermind at all. I think her laughing is either nerves or a lack of class. This game is just a continuation of her normal life in her mind. If something goes her way it is because she is the best. The only reason she is in the game is because anyone will beat her in F2. Anyone
Grendon,
I love your insight on this game, but I do have correct one thing about your comments on GinaMarie. She's NOT from Jersey. Her BB bio says that her hometown is Brooklyn and that she currently lives in Staten Island, just like all those clowns from "Jersey Shore."
Sorry if I'm a little sensitive about this, but I grew up at the Shore, and the majority of the people I know are not at all as these caricatures portray. I've spent my whole life being from Jersey, The Shore has gotten a bad rap from one horrible TV show. I prefer to look at it through my Springsteen lens: An area populated with hard working people who are proud of where they're from. : )
Jumbo, I think you may be correct as to why she is still in the game. She was not perceived as a threat, and everyone thought they could beat her. She has shown a fierceness the last couple of weeks that was not evident earlier, she is showing some heart and desire to win. So minds are changing.
I also agree that the laugh is probably a nervous reaction.
My three year old has been predicting a Spencer/McCrae final two for weeks now. Sounds good to me.
I can't wait for Zingbot to zing GM about Nick. She may just go crazy and self evict one way or another. That'd be fun to watch.
Do you think Mccrea will use the veto if he gets it? Will he think that he would have the votes over Aaryn? Would he have the votes?
I think he would have the votes over Aaryn, but will he think it's time to shed Amanda?
Good day Carolyn and other Dishers. I hope the PoV comp is over soon. I have been without internet since last Wednesday and the latest update is that it will be down until next Monday or Tuesday. I'm at my mom & dad's right now with my laptop so that is the only way I know what's going on since no internet means no live feeds. :( I am hoping for an Amanda win (she needs to win a comp already!) so that Aaryn goes to jury next.
I think Elissa laughing at Amanda is a defense mechanism. She has watched Amanda bait enough HGs to know that laughing will annoy her for one. Two if she is laughing she can't fight with her and 3. We all have either taught our children or been taught as children that bullies can be defused by not giving them what they want. .... A fight. So I think it was a defense mechanism for her.
Hi Carolyn- Well as of last Monday my test result came in I passed all 5 tests. Now I wait for the paper to come in the mail but I am officially a GED graduate thank you for remembering and asking.
By Nov i need to register for my creative writing and mythology classes to start in Jan
Hello All;
I am no Elissa fan and I thought she should have been gone weeks 1 or 2 but since they (mostly Helen) kept her she is doing a little better.
I started out being a McC and Amanda fan but have cooled lately with her manipulation and crying when she loses or crying that someone should have given her the win. I definitely think McCrae could have made an alliance with her without the smoochey showmance. It looks like they spend way too much time alone making out instead of mingling separately playing the social game. This was the Jeremy/Kaitlin problem and I don't see how they have not been a target earlier. McC and Amanda will obviously take each other to F2 so one wins and the other gets 2nd place money and they move to Florida where he is the house husband with $550,000 in the bank. IIRC, it was her that moved in week 1 in HOH and has not left his side since except to argue that he let Jessie sit next to him on the HOH couch and he should have moved to her side immediately.
Maybe a little more Andy-like in their social games and less Atilla-the-Hun slash and burn tactics that she likes to use on the floaters like Jessie, GM, and Aaryn.
Jerry
Thanks. I was talking about beating Elissa in comps though, I was talking about beating her in jury votes. As long as the comps stay simply physical she has as good a shot at winning them as anybody. But I dont see anyone beyond Helen and Candice voting for her in F2 to win 500k
I am not ready to see Amanda or McCrae go especially not by ellisa. I may be the only one rooting for Amanda to win. I would love to see who else Elissa would nominate if Amanda and McCrae are safe. I am so disappointed in Andy he said he was loyal to mcranda And he is showing his true colors these last few days.
Not an Elissa fan.
Tiffany-JadeDarkStar... Good on you!!
Eileen I agree but in Grendons defense she did specifically state the people of the jersey shore mentality. And Carolyn you may call me whatever floats your boat. I answer to a lot of things but mainly I answer to QUE
@Grendon...I am so glad to have a friend in this 'I hate Amanda' comments. Like you, I am not a fan of Amanda's any longer, I was at first, but she really can figure out the game and I enjoy that.
What I can't abide is someone like Andy, who for weeks has declared that he is all about loyalty completely turned his back on first Helen who he just loved, loved, loved and now is so far up Elissa's butt that he found GM who has been missing for weeks. Talk about a flip flopper I'm pretty sure he is the classic example of one since once again he has flipped on Amanda and McCray (and actually even Aaryn) that he has promised loyalty to the end. He does not deserve to win even the $50000 IMHO.
As for Elissa I absolutely cannot abide her. She thinks she is so much better than everyone else (as she has said many, many times) that it is galling to see her have any kind of power so she can lord it over the 'little people'.
At this point I can't believe that Judd, whom I really wanted to come back and win, is making me ill in his sucking up to Elissa. I know some sucking up is needed but come on Judd!!!!
GM I can't even discuss. That poor girl doesn't have a clue and I believe she is going to have a tough time when she gets out of the house and becomes aware that she is not as beloved as she thinks she is. Enough said about her.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm beginning to pull for Aaryn and gasp Spencer a little bit.
If McCray would get off his ass, get out of bed and start playing this game I would like to see him win. I believe at heart he really is a good guy. I wanted him and Judd to get together and go to final 2. Maybe this will happen, who knows, if Amanda leaves.
We will know if Amanda did not win when the feeds come back and she is behind the garbage cans crying again!
Again I do not believe Amanda is this evil being. She is just aggressive and as a knack for knowing the right thing that should be done to get her alliance further down the road. So I wish everyone could back off of her a little. After all she has managed to keep her 4 safe until now when everyone she has protected is turning on her.
Rant over. Sorry.
I think MC will use it on himself. He is scared. He was to comfy before and this has woken him up. He's willing to get rid of Ama.
If Mccrae wins POV, he will use it 100%. Amanda would have a good shot to stay against Aaryn too though. Unless Amanda wins, one of those 3 is going, but I dont see Elissa's new found friends sticking by her past POV ceremony. Especially not Aaryn. I cant wait till keeping it real with Amandy
Hi Carolyn, I respectfully disagree with the notion that should Elissa make it to the end, the jury would not award her the win. Mike boogie was pretty well off at the time he won and he was obnoxious.
if mccra gets pov and dont use it he will go home its liek a bb rule and im sure no one in the house would keep him. You use the pov on your self or you go home no if's and's or butts. Unless he wants to be a marcellius
Jumbo, I meant jury votes also as to why they weren't taking her out.
Grendon
Post as many long posts as you like. I love reading them because you express my feelings way better than I can myself.
Ana-Clark. Andy has always been clear about his loyalties, they are to whoever gives him the best opportunity to stay off the block. Also to never get his hands dirty. I'm positive that if he was playing in the veto, and won it, he would not use it.
This POV may be hours if they woke them up for it. You know Elissa will need time to be camera ready! lol
Jerry
Oh. I thought you were saying they didnt see her as a threat to win comps. My mistake
If Amanda wins veto and takes off Mccrea, I think it would be most interesting if she puts up Andy, that way everyone would have been on the block. She'll probably put up Spencer though.
This seems to be a long veto comp.
Some form of endurance?
Please forgive me if my question comes across the wrong way. With all due respect, you seem to dislike Elissa and cannot respect her because of her perceived "arrogance" but you are beginning to root for Arryn the person who has not hidden her dislike for blacks, Asians, and gays?
Some people can't help but smile and/or laugh when in uncomfortable situations. I know, because I'm like that. It's not fun. I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt in this situation.
Shi shi
I agree with a lot of that. But, I do think Spencer, Judd, Aaryn, and Andy are just apeasing her for now in order to keep themselves safe.
Grendon--I agree with your assessments about GM. About the mattress turning, I watched this live, too. I agree about Kaitlin, but that whole night when Jeremy was taking Jessie's bed, etc...she did start, but then hung back. Like the night Elissa and Aaryn were going at it. She even said she does not like confrontation. I think she gets very uncomfortable and doesn't participate. Unless she has major back up.
As for Aaryn, the more I watch her, the more I like her. I don't agree with most of her in the first month of the game. I don't even think she is a racist. I think she makes inappropriate comments and doesn't realize how inappropriate they are. I think she will get out of the house and watch and learn. At least that's what I hope. She said the other night that her parents taught her to treat all people the same. She seems to be really close with her family. Which makes me wonder why her mom and dad didn't sign a release. She said last night that she was so sad she didn't get a letter or pictures of her parents and she misses them so much.
I also like Grendon's long, and well thought out posts. I don't agree with all of her points, but I do agree with most of them. Keep them coming, Miss G !!!
I also am hoping Amanda wins PoV. Not because I really care for Amanda to do well, but it will upset Ellisa's apple cart. ... and I am very much in favor of Elissa not getting what she wants.
As for GM, she is clueless. She does have a good heart, but I agree she is a product of her environment and won't change.
Amanda??? She lost me after the whole band aid thing. And the sex. I'm sorry, but I'm no prude, but I never understand how people go on live, 24 hours, national TV and have sex. Family and friends seeing this? Yuck. Not to mention, the production people. Having to talk to them, knowing they are watching your every move. I don't get it. Call me a prude, I guess. I so respected Jordan and Jeff for this reason.
Jerry
I do remember different veto rules but don't know the technicalities of each. But there definitely was a time that the only person the veto gave a power to was the person holding it, kind of like Survivor's individual immunity idol. You could use it on yourself if you were on the block or you could give it to someone else, thereby losing any protection.
This is how we learned of the play that shall forever be remembered as 'pulling a Marcellas.'
By the way folks this is a perfect time for us to show our love to our Lovely Carolyn! It's rent time so we should all chip in to thank her for keeping us up to date, especially this week. There are a lot of times this week that I just can't listen to Elissa and GM anymore and I can mute them as I know Carolyn will have it down for me to read. It's so much easier on the nerves to read than watch sometimes.
Thank you Carolyn for everything! I will be hitting the tip jar today.
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Lee, I'm with you.
Ric Amaguin
Thats true about Boogie, but that was a different cast and a different season. Elissa has bonded with no one outside of Helen and Candice. I dont see it, but stranger things have happened. If she gets to give a f2 speech, she may lose votes she had seconds before the speech
Jumbo
I hope so but I have seen Andy immediately after talking to Elissa go down to Spencer as well as Judd and express the same opinion that had with Elissa. Just saying.....
Part of why I think Elissa may think she is better than some of the others is because she doesn't condone nor believe in the racist comments that have been slung around inside the house. If that comes off as "I'm so better than everyone else", well in that context I can comfortably side with her with no qualms.
I don't think McCrae will have the votes to stay over Aaryn if noms stay the same. GM and Judd would definitely vote to evict. Spencer most likely would evict. If Andy catches on to the way votes will go down he will go with the majority.
Of course, a lot can change in 5 days. But if they were voting today I would bet money on McCrae leaving.
While I'm on the Aaryn topic...I don't condone her comments. But one incident that people also blew up about was when she said "ax" instead of "ask" and said "see? now you have me saying it like that." I think she was talking to GM, not Candice. GM says it like that all the time.
I don't know. I'm not defending her comments by any means, but I don't think she's as bad as some think. I just think she has some growing up to do.
It's the most difficult cast to root for. And for Andy, some call him a floater, but I don't think that. He won some comps and I think he was key on saving Amanda when Helen went to him to ask him about it. Helen totally would've voted out Amanda with Jessie, if she got Andy on board. So he does have some influence. But JUDD, he's the one I can whole heartily root for!! ;)
Shamrock
You expressed it exactly the way I feel.....it's not that I want Amanda to win so much, I just don't want Elissa to get her way for once. Also I would love to see what Elissa would do if Amanda DID win!
As for Elissa, (;))I am very impressed with her game playing this week. I really believed she was going for Aaryn. She played that so well, IF she really did intend to get Amanda out. I know she came out of that DR and changed her tune. Still not a fan, though. But she does fascinate me for some reason.
Hi VickiH! :)
David L - No, never. :) love her!
Hi Shamrock! :)) I found that off-putting as well.
Hi Ellen :) FWIW - some of the most elegant and educated people I know live in NJ.
Hi Zach :) hehehe! Adorable!
Hi Cindi! :)
Tiffany-Jade :) Congratulations!!!!
Hi Skeptik :)
Hi Ana :) Welcome!
SusanBaker - Do you teach ESOL?
Good morning, ShiShi!!!! :) you made me LOL!! "and now is so far up Elissa's butt that he found GM who has been missing for weeks."
Ric - :) Noted. And thanks again for the flashback time. I added it to the post.
Hi Leeeeeee!!! :0) So.. What are we doing for our birthday?
Hi Jewelie! :)
Lee
I agree about Amanda, everything you said. She really doesn't have to behave this way and I can't figure out why she does unless it is the sex abuse thing. I'm by far not a prude but I was astounded the night with the band aids ! Maybe she's just proud of what she bought and paid for! I also don't watch the sexcapades and when she starts all the really gross sex talk with Spencer and everyone else I have to change the camera. It makes me want to scream at her to shut up, that she is better than that.
I'll bet her family can't stand to watch that. I know my dad would have had a stroke! May he rest in peace.
Amanda did make a statement that a family member sexually abused her. She didn't elaborate and nobody questioned her. That is very sad.
BT!!! It's a big BD, huh? I could use a little island sunshine for my big one!! lol
Shi Shi...Like I said, I'm not a prude but the sex act is not for me. As for the sex talk, eh...doesn't bother me as much. But when Spencer speaks, it grosses me out. His vocab is horrible.
Lee, and others that think the DR made Elissa's plan. Go to Thur the 22nd, 1136AM camera 3, Elissa telling Helen that if she gets HOH she is putting up Aaryn and Mccrae and backdoor Amanda.
thank you for the congratulations every one
ShiShi - Thank you VERY much!
Shi Shi
Thank you so much. I can always count on you for support. I was beginning to think I should give up as it seems I am not conveying what I want to convey.
I know I am targeting Elissa today, I'm just not doing a good job of explaining why I guess. I have seen moments of humor and kindness with her and she obviously understands the game more than any of us thought. It just seems so easy for people to choose villains and then excuse the same actions and mean tendencies in other people. If people were spending the majority of time only talking about Elissa and how bad she is I would probably be defending her and reminding people of how badly she was treated the first weeks. Right now, it seems the person everyone enjoys complaining about is Amanda while Elissa is being celebrated. If everything was based on game play it wouldn't bother me as much, but it does get personal and that's when I feel the need to say 'Hey Elissa did a lot of the same things, so if it's not o.k. for people that aren't popular right now to act that way, it shouldn't be o.k. for her.'
And for some reason I do have a soft spot for Amanda. I don't try to defend her other than to say what she has done well in a game sense. She has brought a lot of the personal issues on herself but I still feel that the alliance going to crap started with Helen. I just remember the things I liked about her and hope for her mental health and happiness when she leaves. Elissa will be leaving to a lot of support and a built in fan base. Amanda will probably leave to something much different.
Ugh, I have to go to the weekend job in a 1/2 hour. Not supposed to have our phones on us, but whatever, I cannot wait until midnight to get these results!!!!
Everyone have a great night!!!
Ric Amaguin
In regards to Shi Shi's post, or anyone else that prefers aaryn over elissa... Its personal preference. No one is perfect, not even Elissa, so in trying to weigh out human faults who is to say where perceived bigotry and perceived narcissism match up? As a racial minority I think Aaryn could use some diversity in her life, but I would much rather spend time with her than Elissa. Just a personal preference.
Do comps always take this long? I just got the feeds a few days ago so I'm new and never realized how long it takes. *impatient*
lee and
Shamrock
Thank you both very much.
Grendon
Maybe. I think he would have a good shot. He only needs 3 and thursday is a long way away. I would think amanda, spencer, and andy are his nest bet. Spencer isnt truly with anyone and will vote however he wants so a good pitch will work
Hi Kalie :) They vary in length.. from 90 minutes (very rare) to 6+ hours, depending upon the comp. Average is about 3-3.5 hours. Dive in to flashback! :)
Hi Lulu! :) Ugh! Just excuse yourself to go to the bathroom and take a peek on your cel. ;) I'll be here!
No Carolyn I do not teach ESOL. I'm not even sure what it is.
Ric Amaguin...I see that argument made by many Elissa fans, that she feels she is above the comments they have made....and I partially agree that she is classier than that...
However, other comments made, either directly or indirectly by Elissa are what have most people forming the opinion of her as an Elitist..
Comments like what she said to Aaryn early on about "We have nothing in common therefore I have no desire to ever talk to you about anything"
...or the DR session about Amanda's one-piece "If I was trying to turn my husband on I wouldn't wear a french one piece, who does that?"
...or when she and Helen were talking in the HN room one day and Elissa said something along the lines of "I don't know why I should have to talk to any of these people, because I have nothing to talk to them about"
...or even just the other day in HoH when she flat out told Aaryn "I don't want anything you have, and you will NEVER have what I do"
the list goes on and on...if Elissa was just feeling that the comments were wrong, why not take the mentor stance like she did with GM last night, and show them she actually cared about them as people, and not alienate them all for being "beneath her"?
Granted, I am not an elissa fan, yet I do partially agree with the fact that she is above the "racism" and petty attacking that has gone on, but she is still a human being and just because she lives a better lifestyle, does not mean she's automatically higher on the social order than anyone else...and her comments throughout the season have reinforced that she does feel that none of these people are in her social class, which is elitism (sp) at it's finest....and alienating your competitors in a social game is just a really bad BB strategy...
That said, I do hope we continue to see the Elissa that shined so bright last night with GM, the caring, down to earth, big sister mentor Elissa..I like that one...
I'm afraid to see what happens if Amanda loses and realizes that she'll go home. We had Tropical Storm Jessie.. Tsunami Amanda?
Perception is everything I guess. A lot of my defense of Elissa is because I perceived everyone was picking on her. Amanda, I'm afraid I just never took to her, I also perceived many people were for her against others that I though more deserving. The abuse engenders more sympathy, and understanding, but doesn't make me like her actions anymore. It is like with Ginamarie, I truly believe that she belongs in treatment, not in the house, but that doesn't make me excuse her actions.
Good Afternoon Carolyn, all
First, thanks for the kind words and thank you so much Carolyn for my new title. I will wear it with honor :)
I'm not sure what I want to happen, who to win POV. If Amanda and McCrae lose she's going up and it's going to be WWXV in that house. There will be so much yelling and crying and threats to self evict the feeds will be 50 times nuttier than normal. On the other hand if she wins then she will be unbelievably smug and walk around like queen bee, as normal. If McCrae wins, here's where it gets tricky. Does he use it knowing she will go up and probably out? Does he fall on his sword for his woman and stay on the block? Does he have the votes to stay over Aaryn? I'm not so sure. If anyone else wins, although Elissa asked them not to use it, she would want them to take Aaryn down and put Amanda next to McCrae.
As far as Elissa goes, I'm sure the plan was always to BD Amanda and DR had no influence whatsoever. A do not believe conspiracy theories. They come up every year and every year something happens to debunk them. I think it just seemed less so because in the early seasons people weren't aware of what happened and contestants weren't as aware of how things looked. Now they know exactly what to talk about on the live feeds and what not to so the fans will either know or be left in the dark. Look how not one of these people, who love to talk about everything, leaked to us the fact that either Britney or Poppy had been guest hosts. They play to the camera far more than we will ever suspect. They were chosen for a reason.
She won!!!! cue the smugness.
Well I guess we'll find out what happens when Amanda and Mccrae stay in the house.
In all likelihood, Elissa may very well get evicted after her reign, but her moves this week has my respect because I love that she didn't "toe the company line". She proceeded to put a plan in motion everyone else were to afraid of making. She was probably in trouble no matter what, so why not go out taking a big player with her. What was she supposed to do? Evict GM or Spencer to appease mccrae, Amanda, and Andy? At least she is doing what she wants to do and not being spineless like some of the other house guests who seem to be cowering.
What will Elissa do now? Everyone run for the hills! I heard the word zingbot.
In the beginning I hated Aaryn and loved Elissa and Amanda.. now I hate Elissa and Amanda and kind of like Aaryn.. Am I alone?? Elissa completely lost me when she talked about Amanda being bigger and everytime she is so selfish... and I just can't stand the way she talks. Aaryn was very racist in the beginning but I really think she has grown as a person and she's there to compete. I'm a minority so I understand how much racism hurts but I really do think that David was rubbing off on her and that she was just naive. Just my $0.02
Jerry
Carolyn put the Helen/elissa convo flashback in this post. You can also go back to afterDark last night and watch Elissa before she went into DR and after she came out.
lee
I so agree about sex in the BB house. I realize they are adults and it is ultimately their decision, but it affects their families also. I always pictured my father going to work or my sister going to college and someone pulling out a laptop or having a discussion around the water cooler. It would have broke my heart.
Yes! Ther's one for the good guys! I hope Aaryn stays too
Happy Freakin' Saturday!
Amanda won POV... could not be better. Tango you all and Tango you must. Elissa will not be so safe next week and Andy should go up and sweat the block. He's the only one who has never been up now. He's been shady as hell too.
Aaryn doesn't seem as bummed as I would have expected.
Well, the tweets are already coming.
'Congratulations production for winning the veto.'
Does that mean production won HOH?
Cam 3-4 1:19
Sure looks like the POV is on Amanda's neck.
Or am I seeing things?
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Sorey for the alll caps but I'm just sooooo excited.
I just thought of something terrible. She might put Judd up since it would be the easiest thing to do. Get him back out. I hope not. Judd mentioned it too. Please don't let that happen.
McCrae was seen by the medic? What the heck was that comp.?
I was just informed Amanda won the Veto. Don't know if its true
I belive it is rigged i now belive every one who said stupid amanda knows allison gordin and it is rigged for her to win
Happy dance. :)
Okay ... just don't put up J - U - Double D and my week will be pretty good. lol
Yes! Amanda FTW! Hi Carolyn *waves fingers* First time I've posted this season. I always enjoy your posts! I must say I always enjoy Grendons insites as well :)
I remember Elissa saying she could beat Amanda all day every day...wha' appened?
Amanda has come in second a lot. She knew she needed it. I guess now we will find out if Elissa's true plan was to backdoor Spencer
Not happy. This always happens
OMG ROFLMAO
Andy "Elissa you mind if I listen to your CD"
Elissa "I'll be naked so if want to see that"
Andy "I'll come back"
Elissa/McCrae having a convo with Aaryn. Cam 3 ... 1:22'ish.
Dunno what is being said, but that looks like a good talk from body language.
I hope Aaryn jumps off the Good Ship Ellisa.
Amanda back in control of the game, Aaryn right back to her. Judd making nice. The only one that looks a bit upset is Spencer.
This is AWESOME!!!!!! Amanda won!!!! Caro you're great and I want to hug u for the wonderful job u do!
Hi jumbo,
With all due respect, I have to disagree; to each his own.
Mean spirited comments with strong racist undertones just cuts deeper for me than people with a high self esteem.
I knew she'd finally win one. Darn (to put it nicely)
Jumbo
You make me happy.
That. is. all.
<3
Thats it--I'm totally disappointed.. Going to head out to Vegas on Monday. Need to have some fun.
The golden power versus the silver power of veto
I have no words.... I can't even watch this I don't think. It's just too much....LOL All I can do is laugh to keep from cryin lol
Your welcome Carolyn, glad to be of help :)
Ugh, no!! I was so happy it was Elissa week. Not necessarily because I like her, but because I knew she'd try to get Amanda out. I can't bear to watch Amanda, she really gets under my skin. I need to take a break from BB this week. Sorry, no feeds and no bbdish for me.
Awesome Amanda won
And now the real fun begins, Andy versus Aaryn
Interesting to see what will happen
I hope she puts up GM instead
Probably only way to remove GM from Elissa colon
AAryn is a snake--already telling everything Elissa said. I think Andy will be going home.
YEA AMANDA WON!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the caps.
Caught it before going in!! Ugh, of all the people! I'm disappointed. If only I were praying Amanda didn't win, instead of the poor, starving kids ;)
Here's hoping she puts up Andy, or else it's bye bye Spencer.
The best laid plans of mice and men... I see a smackdown on the horizon. If Amanda really wants to keep Andy off the block, I think she can, but she is going to have to hold off her vengence till after POV ceremony
See, this is why people put couples up side by side. Who cares what she thinks. Face it, Elissa is scared of Amanda too. A backdoor is needed when you don't want someone to play for Veto. This happens so often in BB it's not even surprising. Well, it's the beginning of the end for Elissa. Maybe Judd will win HoH he'll surely put up McCranda
I am sooooooo annoyed Amanda won. I really wanted to see her or McCrae go this week.
Amanda's comments are just vulgar and disgusting. "I will murder her in her sleep", "She can eat my *** with a silver spoon".
Out of respect for Carolyn and the rules I will not use the expletives that are pounding to come out of the end of these fingers...
Tiffany - You're smarter than that. Production doesn't care who wins.
Grendon
You hit the nail on the head!!! I have a soft spot for Amanda also and can't explain why. But I am very happy she won veto and also happy to see Elissa crying. Elissa has laughed many times over Amanda crying. I guess I just wanted her to see how it feels. I know that sounds mean but I don't mean it that way. Elissa started out this game with a plus(the Brenchal Army) and was protected for weeks. It's time she put on her big girl panties and play for herself
Hi Carolyn and BB Dishers!
cyninbend....
Sorry for my delayed response but once im offline I dont get back on until maybe 5pm the next day.... And sometimes its too much to try to backtrack and see if anyone responded to something.
When I said a 33% chance one would win I meant one of the two noms...McCrae or Amanda since I consider them a package deal. And when figuring out if Amanda had a chance in playing veto if not nominated, I was thinking that there are three people going to be picked out of five available. The Hoh and nominees are guaranteed to play so I dount count them. Thats how I came up with a 60% chance she would be one of the 3 but I guess it is still just a 20% chance. I knew id probably mess up on the math somewhere *wink*
Off to catch up on whatevers going on now.
David Lockner
Very well said. I would tip my hat to you but I am not wearing one.
While she still has the powsr of the replacement nom. She needs to get Spencer on her side. Tell him that Amanda will make sure whoever is next to Aaryn is gonna go home. Stop playing personal for a second and get Spencer under your belt. If you get Aaryn out. I think Spencer will ultimately follow Judd. Which will give you a 50 50 chance of staying safe. Rachel may hate floaters by this floater needs to be your best friend.
Ah, the "conspiracy" abounds... haha.
Does anyone have info about what kind of comp this was?
If I remember correctly, Marcellus was on the block and used his Veto on the OTHER HG, then got voted out himself. Is that right? Is it a written BB rule that the Veto winner is safe from being the renom or is that just hearsay?
WOOHOOO!!!!!!! Sorry for caps Carolyn :)
I am so super happy my team is safe !!!!
Way To Go Amanda save your man :) :)
Ric Amaguin
On that point, I do agree. I can respect anyone for a good game move whether they are my personal favorite or not.
Oh Lord!
GM is reporting to HOH to fill Elissa in on everyone's whereabouts. Did she borrow Andy's whiskers?
Amanda won POV...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
but then YES!!!
that's why I love this game.
Andy as the re nom?...hell yeh!
Amanda will be on her best game manipulating people. And as for the rest of the house..........
well I bet they fall right back in line under Amanda's command.
They might even beg for it!
Now that leaves Elissa and GM for the pickens off next week.
so let the BB games........GO
Freekin wild!!!! Muah ha ha
Kitty Franks
Thank you and welcome to the comment section.
Off to work. I will be watching for exploding heads until you go to sleep.
Night Carolyn, all :)
*Grendon
"congratulation's production for winning POV"
Classic.........luv it!
You rock my BB world!
ceemurph
If the veto winner is on the block they can save themselves.
If the veto winner is not on the block (Amanda) she can remove someone from the block (McCrae) and she can not be the renom.
When Marcellas played, the veto only protected the person holding it. Marcellas won, his friend Amy was on the block, he gave her the veto, he became the renom and was evicted.
Happen every time in BB. lol
Good job, Amanda! I also love that Elissa is still set on not putting GM up.
For me this has been the most entertaining week of BB this year....everyone is having to play the game. Love it!
I really hope Elissa puts up Andy... He's due.
Carolyn I think I finally got the donate to work. I dont know what I was doing wrong. Let me know if it doesn't come thru! Love you.
Meliss -
Call 877-211-4367
Looks like Elissa will put up Andy and try to get Aaryn out. I would guess that Elissa's only chance of staying next week would be win veto or Ginamarie or maybe Judd win HOH.
Hi Yasmin! :)) Craaazzyy game!! :)
Hi Michigan Man! :) Have a great night! THANK YOU!
Hi ShiShi! Thank you SO MUCH! ♥♥♥, C
EVERYONE - I'm gonna disappear for a hour or so.. fresh air.. bicycle.. please mind the critters.
Enjoy your break, you deserve it for putting up with them, and us. ;-)
Thanks, Jerry :)
------Poof!
So Elissa is no longer laughing?
Carolyn I am agitated! I can't believe that all the Amanda people think Amanda's game place is AOK but when Elissa plays she is TRASH (to quote one of the posters here). And now all I can say is Congratulations to the winner of POV...production. Amanda has been the selected winner from the get-go and we all know it
Hi Grendon-
I thought Marcellus was already on the block with Amy, and he just decided not to use it at all - on himself or her? Not that it matters, I just remember it differently.
**** SCREAM ****
Sorry for the super scream (bold denotes the loudest possible, make your ears bleed, breaking crystal, blood curdling and sound barrier breaking) Carolyn and fellow commenters but this is not the way I wanted to start my BB day.
Even worse is I am texting this because DQTD grabbed the laptop just as I was finishing "Spanglish" on one of the HBO channels. I would cut him off but I can't stop giving him what he already hasn't been getting.
This was my worst possible case coming true. STOOPID STOOPID STOOPID!!!!! I knew this was going to happen the minute I found out Amanda was playing for PoV. It's "The Peter Principle" exactly how it is supposed to work. I feel very ill. Any getting Amanda out now will be a true miracle.
I'm on a broken roller coaster in the first car and hanging on to the apex of the biggest drop on the ride. I see no hope of rescue. Then to read that Judd, my main man,is verifying it's OK to get rid of Andy. I heard another bolt falling out of the roller coaster and hitting metal below. I know I saw sparks and it's still daylight.
I know Andy isn't popular with many of you but I still see him playing a good albeit his own style of game. He keeps his options open from every angle. He stays in the good graces without reprecussions from any faction. He's not a floater, he is doing a great job of CYA. His true alliance has been with 3AM and it's other names it has been called since the start of the season. If you look in his face you can see it. He is excellent at pulling needed info and gets it back to whoever needs to know. That is NOT floating. That is playing an intregel (I can't spell it and auto-correct can't either) role.
RANT OVER (for now).
:o)
GaYToR
I don't see any way Amanda wins. Candy Jessie won't vote for her and after she screws after andy or Aaryn (most likely Andy) She will lose another vote Elissa or Judd won't. that's 5 for sure votes aginst her and a maybe 6th with Helen.
Now I just pray Mccrae doesn't win so that she doesn't see a cent of that money!
Silver vs golden power of veto
I just have to say this after reading all the Elissa defenders and Amanda bashers, please explain Elissa's new found love for GM
Aaryn poor Aaryn she is just so malleable
I want to see Spencer and Judd's DR sessions. I can't believe they are contemplating a REAL alliance with Elissa.
I can see why they are tickling her colon right now. They want to stay off the block.
One of the posters here mentioned that when the show is over, Amanda will have a difficult time, while Elissa will be OK. The question is - whose fault is that? No one forced Amanda to be the vile person that she is in the show. It is her own doing. For that reason, I do not care what happens to her outside BB. She has made her bed, so she has to lie on it.
Yesssssss! So excited that Amanda won the veto - that was pretty clutch!! I'm definitely looking forward to this week.
As an aside, for anyone planning on adding to or starting a family, I highly suggest conceiving in October so that your maternity/paternity leave coincides with the Big Brother season. It's been wonderful not having work get in the way of my obsession with BB!! :-)
I think Spencer is aligned, or thinks he is, with Andy and Mccrea.
If Elissa puts up Andy then Aaryn will probably leave.
I think Judd believes he has zero chance with Mcranda and will, if possible, stay with Elissa and Ginamarie.
I think there is a pretty good chance that anyone but Mccrae and Andy would put up Amanda next week.
lscott I think it may be a case of smart playing. 'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer'. I don't understand Elissa's because this is the first time since the beginning of the season that she has shown she even has one. But I like that she is an independent thinker. It's a first for this season.
: o)
GaYToR
Cortneechiwa
I can't actually remember. Now that you mention it Marcellas might have been on the block. But he definitely gave the POV to Amy. He was so sure they would not vote him out he never even packed his bags.
I dont think Elissa is someone you can work with. When Helen was in the house Helen did all the work. Judd has many options. Elissa's problem is everyone is closer to each other than they are to her. Her best bet would have been to let Amanda run her HOH and take out Judd or GM. Amanda is the only one that can see the value in Elissa enough to overlook her personality.
If Amsnda scares Andy enough that he breaks down and begs Elissa that if she puts him up he is going home, she might make a deal with him to keep him off the block. Elissa tried to enact Helen's plan, but she is on her own now.
I was right about one thing... The Aaryn Elissa alliance was laughable! I knew it was doomed from the start, but gosh that was quick
G,
Yep! That's the way I remembered it! It was just so darned long ago haha. Thanks for the confirmation! Should be an interesting week. Maybe this eviction will finally kick off the season!
-C
One more then I gotta cut some grass...
I hope Aaryn stays, nothing would be better than her taking out Elissa. Also Elissa just said herself Aaryn was the target all along. I guess we should believe her. I said it yesterday maybe that this reminds me alot of the HOH Brendon won with the ropes and thought he was in the Brigade. I think he went home the next week because he did nothing to improve his position
Elissa didn't buy Andy's tears. It's hard to know because there is no one she's talking to that she trusts. I think she'll still put up Andy.
I would hate to find out my life had been recorded 24 hours a day. I'm sure along the way I have said and done things I would regret. And that is without the paranoia of knowing people are plotting against me, competing against me and talking behind my back. That is without the claustrophobia of being locked in one place that I cannot leave, can't take a drive, read a book or watch t.v. That is without never having a moment of privacy, knowing there is no one I can really trust, not knowing what is going on in the world or if my family is doing o.k.
I used to think that these people signed up for the show and should have known what to expect. But I took into consideration, we don't know everything that has happened in their lives, what beliefs or morals they were taught, what tragedies may have molded their lives. All of their actions and reactions are intensified a thousand times more than the normal person. Especially in the heat of the moment or in times of extreme boredom.
I used to believe they got what they asked for. These are the things that changed my mind.
1-Knowing that a vast majority of these HGs not only forgive each other, but actually become friends. If they can forgive, why should we think they should get what they are asking for.
2-Knowing that 'what they are asking for' is a rediculous concept. One 'fan' thought that one HG was asking to have her daughter kidnapped from school, raped, killed and left in a field.
The concept of 'he/she made his/her bed, now they can lie in it' may be good in theory but in reality it doesn't always translate.
I respect the game that Andy has been playing but I took exception to his attitude with Helen when she questioned his loyalty. He never did as he promised and tell her the truth always. I know it's Big Brother I get it. It just seems to me that everyone but Elissa is allowed to fabricate. If Elissa does nominate Andy I think that vote could go either way. Good lord he has final 2/3 with everyone there. Aaryn and Amanda are allowed to cry but when Helen or Elissa cry its they need to suck it up and accept their fate. Double standard here. I remember the year jun won, one of the jury members said "I hate to vote for either one of you because you are nasty , so I guess for the lessor if two evils". (Paraphrasing some of that). Well that's the way I feel this year no matter who makes it to the end. Amanda, GM, Aaryn and Spencer have vulgar mouths, McCrae has no ambition, Andy has been a "rat" as he so pleasantly called every other hg and Elissa well I'm not sure how to describe her. I will not judge Judd at this juncture he hasn't been back long enough. This cast as human beings leave me speechless and I don't reward bad behavior such as I've seen this year. So far the lesser evils are Judd Andy or Elissa. I really don't believe the others should be rewarded for their vulgarity. I respect game play but in what universe is that acceptable
Grendon...I don't understand the Amanda love. I have followed the dish for many years and I generally agree with you. This year...not so much. Elissa has an obvious personality issue. Aaryn, Amanda, Spencer...hate filled people. I'm done. This year sucks.
I agree with most of the observations and opinions posted on this site. I appreciate that fighting and backbiting is not permitted. I respect everyone's right to have an opinion that differs from my own.
Grendon, I love you and I agree with 99.999999% of what you write most of the time. But lack of education or whatever, does not excuse GinaMarie for the things that she has said, specifically the comment about welfare being "n***** insurance". And I'm a republican for crying out loud. Find me one place on earth where the culture or lack of education is enough of an excuse to behave that way and spew the things that come out of her mouth. I think her good heart is directed at those she can get things from and the second you disagree with her she becomes an instant psychopath. She is a horrible person and I wish she had received half the edit from CBS that Aaryn has. She deserves to be shown in her true light but the things she has said were so awful they couldn't even be edited for TV. That's what kept her safe. I will be so upset if she makes it to the end. Everyone else deserves it more than her.
Andy on behalf of Amanda I would like to present to you her SILVER spoon, as you walk out of BB hs I am sure you will know and only then will you know exactly what to do with it!
Thanks for everything, your services were greatly appreciated !
Sincerely 3am
ps minus YOU!
Grendon; A shared unique experience forges a very powerful bond. There is really no one else that understands what you went through.
Jun Song's blog gives some pretty good information on what's happening. Too bad she quit blogging on this year. It was .because of the racism.
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My memory of the infamous Marcellus POV goes like this. Marcellus and Amy were on the block. Marcellus wins POV. He then decided no to use it because he felt safe and didn't want to put his friends in the awkward position of having to put someone else up. They then had the vote. It was tied and then the HOH broke the tie sending Marcellus home. The POV has always came with safety for both the winner and whomever they have used it on.
Is anyone else excited to see Haydon Moss on Survivor this fall?
"Pulling a Marcellas" refers to holding the Golden POV while on the block yourself and not using it. In season 3, Marcellas won the POV while he was on the block and for some bizarre reason chose not to use it. He was evicted as a consequence.
I believe Marcella was on the block and thinking that he would be safe he chose not to use the veto
John I don't always get on here for replies but please please give Danny a hug for me big hug to you too!
Susan Baker
Me too. It can get heated we all have our favorites. But none of the bad posts get through. Who knows what Carolyn reads though
My issue with Helen's tears was the multiple admissions that she was using then as a manipulative tool and that this ifs the same tactic she takes with her kids outside the house. I was done with her at that point and that was week 1. A small part of my disdain for Elissa is that I couldn't stand her sister but I cannot watch Earlier today someone referred to her ego being perception but when she says quite clearly that none of these people are good enough for her to Este her time on and her biggest problem seems to be the wrong brand of yoga mat it is hard for me to even want to try to relate to someone with that world view. In my world that is a hair thin line from the other terrible views expressed by those that she considers beneath her.
My issue with Helen's tears was the multiple admissions that she was using then as a manipulative tool and that this ifs the same tactic she takes with her kids outside the house. I was done with her at that point and that was week 1. A small part of my disdain for Elissa is that I couldn't stand her sister but I cannot watch Earlier today someone referred to her ego being perception but when she says quite clearly that none of these people are good enough for her to Este her time on and her biggest problem seems to be the wrong brand of yoga mat it is hard for me to even want to try to relate to someone with that world view. In my world that is a hair thin line from the other terrible views expressed by those that she considers beneath her.
I am honestly not excusing GM, only guessing how she may have become the person she is. And I don't think she will ever change.
I have not loved Amanda in the game. I was automatically turned off the first week. Then her humor and ability to be loyal and strategic won me over. Then when she got nasty it made me cringe. Based on a game level she is a good player. I didn't even realize how good until Helen, Elissa and Aaryn started giving her props. On a personal level she has definitely screwed things up. But the more she is bashed the more I feel sorry for her because I think she will regret her behavior and that she may be a very different person outside this house. Since it is something I will probably never know, I would prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt.
I guess my biggest problem is when Amanda gets bashed for certain behaviors but Elissa and Helen get excused for the same behaviors. It doesn't mean that I think Helen and Elissa are awful people.
Funny now E is crying when she was laughing at Amanda's tears less than 24 hours ago. She didn't care if she went home next week, she was making the "big moves." Oh how the hubris escapes them when they become losers themselves.
The only way to save Aaryn and Andy is to offer Elissa safety. But she started with 2 weeks for 1, then upped it to 3 and rejected it yesterday. So who knows. Her brain does not get the exercise her body does....
Jerry
I was reading Jun's blogs. They were very insightful and often times quite funny.
If Elissa puts up Andy after promising him safety in exchange for 2 weeks safety from him, she has shown all her new friends like Judd and GM what her word and handshake are worth. He would have been a great choice, but she was seeing the universe from her perch above it in the emperor;s throne with such tunnel vision over getting rid of Am and McC that she never considered possibilities! She laughed when McC and Andy urged her to go through the possibilities of what might happen. Terrible gamer.
I'm back! And so disappointed. I think. I really go back and forth. I was kinda excited to see Amanda the Mastermind leave and see how everyone else plays, since they've been playing for her this whole time. Amanda had the fire when her life was on the line. Good for her. She is the best player this season, fer sure.
Janine
Back in BB3 Marcellas won the Veto and he was on the block. He decided not to use it because Amy was his girl and was sent packing. Great TV. http://youtu.be/hiSV9K38XMo
After that the Veto became the Golden Power of Veto = you are safe automatically.
A couple of time the Diamond Power of Veto has been in play = you are safe and get to name replacements.
Grendon I am appalled at the story you told about a previous hg. Please tell me that wasn't directed at Shelly because of jordon. I know there were hate sites constructed to torture the poor woman. Human nature is really sinking to a new low. While I don't like some of the things these people have said and done I wish them no harm. There is an Irish prayer that ends "and with harm to none". I can't even watch action movies because of some of the cruel acts in them. I guess I have a Pollyanna outlook on life. Thank you for sharing that tidbit. It does put things in a different perspective. But I still believe that you don't reward "bad" behavior and the lessor of the "evils" are Judd, Andy and Elissa. Do I think she will win no. But I can't believe these people don't think of Elissa being in the jury house for 3 weeks with the rest of the HGs and her comments will be toxic against a few of them.
Quick question....
If Amanda uses the PoV to take McCrea off the block, can Elissa put Amanda up as the renom?
Quick question....
If Amanda uses the PoV on McCrea can Elissa put up Amanda?
I miss old Judd. Who is this guy? Maybe he is a Judd-bot
That is incorrect, the silver power of veto was only used for one person, the golden power of veto took the person off the block and also protected the holder, that is my recollection of the difference
Amanda during the pov ceremony will tell Elissa she intends to use the pov on mccrae, because nothing comes between her and her man
I won't ever feel sorry for Amanda. And she deserves everything she gets when she leaves the house. She has been the most horrible person with a comment for all the races, ethnicity, personalities, religions, etc. If she could bash it she did. I don't like Elissa either, but I never heard Elissa talk about people the way that Amanda has.
Earlier this season (I can't remember who) Someone was going to use the Veto on somebody on the block. They were told, "if you use it then I'm putting you on the block in their place." They didn't use it. So why can't Elissa put Amanda on the block if Amanda uses the Veto on McCrea?
Hello Everyone,
I have a question regarding the use of the veto. Amanda has won the veto and if she uses it to take McCrae off the block can she be placed on the block? Does the veto protect both the winner and the person taken off the block?
Thanks in advance!
-D
10:00 PM BBT
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Everyone
They got booze. Fasten your seatbelts. I'm betting it's going to get good. Will blood be shed tonight? Will someone break a bottle and cut someone or their own throat? Carolyn will have it all in The Overnight Report in the morning before she takes her much needed Sanity Break.
Amanda is still pouting. I just tuned in but I'm gathering she tried to get Elissa to agree to putting up GM and evicting her so 3AM will stay intact.
Elissa is sleeping. No one has awakened her yet for the alcohol fest. Pigs... All of them.
:o)
GaYToR
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