Big Brother 12: The Overnight Report
Good morning, BB Lovers! Happy Monday! Extra java for everyone! You're gonna need it!
What a night on the live feeds! If you haven't yet, I strongly encourage you to read Genie's Evening post, as well as Late Night with Lessa, while I get the Overnight Report together.
Hayden & Kristen are definitely making progress, and while Rachel is still less than 100% sure of anything and beginning to show some buyer's remorse, it may now be a situation of a train she cannot stop, what with the PoV Ceremony now being only hours away...
We join our BB12 HGs just before the clock strikes 1am... Rachel, Kristen and Britney are up in the HoH bathroom, chatting while Rachel finishes up doing her roots.
It's been a long night of campaigning already, and it's about to get longer, as Hayden goes upstairs to check in on the situation in HoH and pull Britney away for a private conversation. Hayden & Britney leave Rachel and Kristen in HoH, under the guise of taking a dip in the hot tub... time machine...
Instead, Hayden & Britney head straight to the Cabana Room, and the gaming that's been going on all night long on the feeds begins to take shape on Cam1 at 12:57am BBT.
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Britney: What's up?
Hayden: (whispered)They're gonna do it.
Britney: No way. No way.
Britney: Are you sure?
Hayden: Rachel's like, you need to make a deal with Britney, and I need to know whatever kind of deal you make with her, or whatever.. so, um, we have to make sure that what I tell her and what you tell her are the same thing.
Britney: mm hmm
Hayden: This is big. ok, so...
Britney: What did you promise them?
Hayden: That I wouldn't puttem up... if I win HoH... but we talked about that, you and I, what happens if we win, and it sucks...
Britney: We still have to..
Hayden: Yeah.. and we, this is between me n you, if you win, you gotta puttem up. If I win, I gotta puttem up.
Hayden: It sucks breaking a promise, but... you gotta do what ya gotta do... and this is a game. We're both here to win.
Hayden: You know? And I wanna play and compete, and I think this is the best way we know how.
Hayden: Better to get Kathy out, and then you and I both have Kristen on our side... You have me on your side.. This is gonna be like, real big, for all of us.
Britney: I agree.
Hayden: So.. what you need, like, is that a good deal for you? What do you need? Just tell Rachel...
Britney: 2 weeks.
Hayden: 2 weeks?
Britney: 2 weeks... you and Kristen don't put me up.
Hayden: Kristen's not included in the deal, according to Rachel... so just between me n you, because you gotta think that Kristen still has a chance to go home.
Hayden: Ya know what I mean?
Britney: ok.. So this is a deal with you, not with Kristen.
Hayden: Yeah. It really is with Kristen too, but they don't know that.
Britney: mmhmm. ok. Are they talking to Kristen, too?
Hayden: mm hmm
Britney: Did Kristen promise them safety, too?
Hayden: Yeah. She's gonna say whatever it takes.. Especially after last week? How they treated us.. I mean..
Hayden: So... You get the deal from me, through their eyes... OK, so it's safety from HoH 2 weeks, and if you're on the block, I pull you off the block...
Hayden: ...for the next 2 weeks, so...
Britney: ok. Sounds good.
Hayden: So.. If I win a veto competition, I pull you off.. If I win HoH the next 2 weeks, you're not going up..
Britney: And if they put her up, they think she's going home, or do they still think Kristen's going home?
Hayden: umm.. I dunno.. I mean, they're gonna put her up (Kathy), and I think with Rachel, she doesn't like either one of em really... so whatever.
Britney: Kristen basically said, I wont put either of you up.
Hayden: Yeah. We both did. But you can't know that we told her that.
Hayden: Like.. all you know is that...
Britney: ..is what you're promising me.
Hayden: ..is that I'm telling you that 2 weeks, I'm not gonna put you up. And the next 2 weeks.. I won't put you up, and I'll pull you off the block.
Britney: mm hmm
Hayden: That's all you know.
Britney: mm hmm
Hayden: And you're gonna pull me off, because I was scared that I might go home this week.
Britney: mm hmm
Hayden: That's all you know.
Britney: OK, cool.
Hayden: But in reality, there's a lot more, because Kristen's gonna help you, I'm gonna help you.. It's gonna be a big thing.
Hayden: But they can't know... They can't know that we're still gonna puttem up.
While Hayden and Britney wrap up their talk in the Cabana Room, Kristen and Rachel are still talking up in HoH...
Kristen: If I would've won HoH, I would've wanted to clear the whole situation about Andrew, and if that would've been cleared, there's no way in hell I would've put either one of you up.
Rachel: When I tried to apologize.. I was really being sincere, and.. I dunno.. We could've both changed so many different things...
In the Cabana Room...
Hayden: This type of move is the type that the fans see, and they're like, Oh Yeah!!
Britney: Definitely. This is a game changer.
Hayden: As far as Kathy goes... I mean I love her, I feel bad, but she's not gonna win anything, and she's out, so it'll basically be Brendon against 7 strong players. And they're gonna be on the block.
Hayden gives Britney a very sincere hug...
Rachel & Kristen aren't quite there...
Hayden: OK, tomorrow's the ceremony, so we only have to make it last til then... Then once the ceremony happens... Everybody knows...
Britney: Yeah. That's cool.
So the plan is to keep up the ruse only until Rachel puts up the ReNom, who they assume will be Kathy, and then, once Rachel is powerless and all that remains of her HoH is the big bed, it's House v Rachel & Brendon, all over again.
Rachel & Britney
Britney fills Rachel in on the deal, as agreed to by her and Hayden...
Britney: He offered me, for 2 weeks, if I use the PoV on him, he guarantees me 2 weeks - a. he would not put me up, and b. he would use the PoV on me, if I got put up.
Rachel: That's huge.
Britney: If he won the PoV, he would take me off the block. Yeah, that is huge, because you and Brendon aren't coming after me..
Britney: Hayden's not gonna be coming after me... That's like, the biggest competitors in this game. That pretty much guarantees me 2 more weeks in this house. Like it's huge. And Hayden's not the target anyways.
Britney: So if Hayden comes off the block...
Rachel: But then who do we put up?
Rachel: The only person I can put up is Kathy, without pissing off the house, and then, if I put up Kathy, then she has a chance of going home over Kristen.
Rachel: It's your call, Britney. I would never wanna ask you to not.. I mean, honest to G-d, like, Brendon and I, like, we want to be with you. Like, we're not going to put you up, we're not gonna come after you. I would be more than happy to use PoV on you... It's just.. the only problem is.. if like, it's Brendon up there, and you use PoV on Brendon, then I go up.
Rachel:It's so hard, because you have to think about all these things.
Britney: No. I know.. and like, I already know that you and Brendon aren't coming after me, so I'm not even worried about that...
***You may want to start after the PoV Ceremony.
Britney: Just Hayden's offer is like more security for me..
Rachel: It is good.
Britney: ..and it doesn't even effect me..
Rachel: I know..
Britney: ..because, Hayden's not the target anyways, and if you still wanted Kristen to go home, you just tell the house that's what you want.. Every single week, this house has voted.. It's been a zero vote twice, because people don't wanna piss other people off...
Rachel: I know.
Britney: So if you still wanted Kristen to go home, she still would.
Rachel: You think over Kathy though?
Britney: Yeah, if that's what you wanted. I think right now, it's gonna be a zero vote, Hayden over Kristen, for sure. Kathy? I think it'd still be a zero vote. I don't know. I just think that it would. I just feel like people don't wanna step on toes right now.
Rachel: Do you think that Kristen would come after us, if she stayed and Kathy went home?
Britney: I think you could use it to get an offer out of her... and say, hey, listen, I'm thinking of having Britney use the PoV on Hayden and putting Kathy up.. If you stay in this house... The house is gonna do what I say... If you stay in this house, what can you insure me? That's what I would do, if I were you.
Rachel: The problem is, do you trust Kristen?
Rachel: ...and if we trust Kristen, we still know her and Hayden are gonna work together..
Britney: Her and Hayden are definitely gonna work together. The thing is, I think Hayden's pretty trustworthy.
Rachel: I feel like that too. I feel like Hayden is trustworthy, but is Kristen trustworthy, and is she manipulating Hayden to do what she wants? That'a huge. And.. I'm sure Kristen's offered you offers. She's offered me offers..
Britney: She offered.. She didn't so much offer me anything in particular... She just said tit for tat.
Rachel: Yeah, tit for tat.
Britney: And... I mean, say you put Kathy up and Kathy goes home? Good because Kathy's just floatin' through this house anyways, and the more stuff that she does, the more pissed off I get.
Rachel: I agree.
A little more Kathy bash, then...
Britney: Bottom line is, I know you don't wanna tell me not to use it, but I don't wanna go against you either, because I don't want you to feel...
Rachel: I know..
Britney: ..betrayed by me.. ya know what I mean?
***Until a couple minutes after the PoV Ceremony, anyway.
Britney: So, if I'm gonna use it, it's gonna be a decision that you and me make together. Like, I'm not gonna go behind your back and use the veto, and force you into an awkward position.
Rachel: Yeah.. I just don't know how much we can trust Kristen... because you know as much as I know, that if Kathy goes up against Kristen, it's a good chance that Kathy goes home.
Britney: mm hmm
Rachel: ...and if you can get that deal out of Hayden, and I'll be like, well, Hayden, I'll be more thatn happy to put up Kathy, but you have to do the same deal... maybe not even the same deal with like the whole PoV thing, but like make sure that you work the same 2 HoHs? I think that's fair. 2 HoHs - you don't put us up, me and Brendon, or Britney.. cuz you guys already have that deal, obviously... If I was like, you don't put us up, 2 HoHs.. There's plenty of other people for 2 HoHs for him to put up...
Britney: mm hmm
Rachel: I mean, I would be ok with doing something like that. 2 HoHs, Hayden has a good chance to win. Brendon, you, me..
Britney: That's all the competitors in this game: Hayden, you, me, Brendon.
Rachel: That's so true.
Britney: We are the only people in this game who are serious competitors.. and if all the competitors have a 2 week deal?
Rachel: What I'm thinking is though.. I really have to get out Kristen. I just don't think I can trust her, and she seems so dangerous... and I'm just not sure, Britney. I'm kind of scared to put up Lane... and I'm kind of scared to put up Enzo, because, a. I don't want them to think that I'm using them or putting them on the block at all...
Britney: No, I wouldn't want you to put either of them up either.
Rachel: Because like, right now, Lane or Enzo are not coming after me, you or Brendon.
***What color is the sky in your world, darling?
Rachel doesn't want to paint a new target on her back by nominating someone she considers an ally, or at least a non-enemy, but she really wants Kristen to go home, and she doesn't feel at all secure that Kathy on the block will make that happen. Britney continues the soft sell...
This is ongoing, but we've really got to move on, if I'm to finish the overnight before the HGs wake up! If you'd like to continue with this conversation, please get on the live feeds and catch it on flashback!
Enzo & Lane
Suspicions about Hayden... Why is he fighting so hard to keep Kristen in the house? The Brigade has other ideas. They'll stop shy of asking Britney not to use the PoV, but they want to get Kristen out and reign Hayden back in where he belongs.
Lane: She's a strong competitor too.
Enzo: I don't trust her, 'cause she was poppin' sh*t on you n me, bro. He's like a crackhead for this girl.. You gotta Brigade. F**k this girl.
Lane: You're not gonna marry her. You're on a f'ing show.
Enzo: That's what I'm saying. We get rid of Kathy next week... or we put up the 2.. Forget about Kathy. She's a pawn.
Lane: Yeah. What's happening is, they're promising Rachel and Brendon stuff, and if Kristen stays and she wins HoH, she'll be like, no, I can't put them up, I promised...
Enzo: We gotta talk to Britney tonight man...
Lane: Well, they've probably promised Britney sh*t too... so.. Brendon and Rachel aren't gonna go after Britney next week, and neither is Kristen...
Enzo: If Hayden wins HoH, he's puttin them both up though?
Lane: I hope so...
Enzo: He has to!
Meanwhile, over on feed 3, Rachel's having a little kitchen counter whisper with Britney before she heads into the Taj for a one on one with Hayden...
Rachel & Hayden
Rachel: Ok.. so...
Hayden: Did she talk to you?
Rachel: Yeah.. Basically, Britney said that she would use it, but she's not gonna use it if I tell her not to.
Rachel: So she told me that you offered her the 2 weeks and 2 weeks PoV, which.. I think that's a fair deal..
Hayden: I thought it was gonna take a lot more than that.
Rachel: Well, for Britney, that's huge. You have to remember... I don't think anyone would put Britney on the block right now anyways.. She's not the one who's gonna go up.. The next 2 HoHs.. There's a really good chance that out of the 5 of us, one of us is gonna win.
They talk numbers, then move on to congratulating themselves for the huge move...
Hayden: So what do you think?
Rachel: I think this is huge. This is not only a game changer, but this is the game changer.
***You're quite right, Rachel, but it's not what you're thinking.
Hayden: This is the moment, like, when you're watching... For a while, they must've been like, woah, these people are gonna take each other's heads off.
Rachel: I know!! hehehehe
Hayden: And then they formed like a super alliance.
Rachel: Hayden, you're gonna have to go against all of your friends... I mean, maybe not this week.. Maybe not next week... but...
Hayden: That's gonna happen anyway. If you're gonna win this game... I'm here to win. I'm not here to make it to the jury.
Rachel: No, me neither. I'm not here to make it to the jury. And.. there's like a legitimate amount of people in this house, that have the chance to make it to final 4... I think me, you, Brendon, Kristen, Britney are the strongest players in this game.. Hands down.
Hayden: I agree.
Rachel: So... You're just gonna have to know that... Other people may try to make deals.. Other people may try to do whatever they can...
Hayden: It's gonna happen.
Hayden: We just have to know... For one, nobody else can know.
Hayden: Like Zero.
Rachel: No, like zero.
Hayden: People still need to think that we hate each other...
Rachel: But.. they're gonna know me and Britney have something worked out...
Hayden: I'll basically say that if she pull some off, it guarantees me in the jury, which it does..
Rachel: Oh my G-d..
Hayden: The people on the live feeds right now must be freaking out.. This is such a big deal.
Rachel: Oh! I know. This might not even be on the live feeds, because it's such a big deal.
***Ummm.. hi... get over yourselves. Of course it's on.
Rachel: Also, America's voting on something this week.. I don't know what, but with the 5 of us working together, there's a big chance one of us is gonna get it.
And we're moving forward...
Britney, Lane, Enzo
Britney's working all sides of the fence tonight. She says she thinks there are all kinds of deals going on between the couples, to the point where Enzo calls it a super couple alliance, and Brit assures the boys that even if someone goes up in place of Hayden, they can still vote Kristen out...
Brendon & Rachel
They come together to discuss the events of the evening, and check in with each other about what feels right, what sounds fishy, and do they still have the power to stop it all if necessary... This segment with Brendon and Rachel will wrap up the Overnight, if you'd like to get a head start and just watch it on flashback.
Brendon: So, give me the play by play..
Rachel: Alright. Play by play...
Since we've already had the play by play, we're going for the perception of it.
Rachel: Britney approached it like me, you and her. Like, Hayden gave this really good deal, and this is what I think I should do.
Brendon: That's good.
Rachel: That's huge.
Rachel makes it clear to Brendon (in her duped state) that Britney wants to work with the two of them and Hayden, not Kristen. At all. Rachel is completely snowed by Britney. Moving on...
Rachel: Furthermore, I don't know how much we can trust Hayden and Kristen. When you left the room, and it was just me and Kristen talking, I was totally buying into her bs, until she said, "Hayden might make secret deals with people, and I might make secret deals with people, and ultimately, we're all gonna be working together, but we all might have to make other deals with people." And I said "no, Brendon and I don't make secret deals with other people. Brendon and I make Rachel and Brendon deals..." So, that really made me think, like, can you really trust Kristen. Then I think about it, and Hayden and Kristen are really not the smartest people..
Brendon: No they're not.
***ya think? They're sure doing a job on you.
Rachel: They're mentally not good competitors, and there are a lot of HoHs that are quizzes...
Brendon: In those 2 on 2s, you don't directly gun for the people you're trying to get off, because it becomes real apparent, real fast, real obvious.
Brendon: So if somebody wins, like what happened to you, it was obvious she was trying to put you up.
Rachel: No, totally. And it's obvious that I have to get rid of her, before she gets rid of me. She's my biggest enemy in this game, and can you really make an enemy a frenemy? That's what I think.
***So... why does that not apply to Britney in your mind right now, since she's the 1st person you used that term on?
Rachel and Brendon are very clear that they have a lot more to lose than Hayden and Kristen with this deal.
Brendon: I can totally imagine them stepping back and coming after us.
Rachel: Oh, totally. I can totally imagine that. The thing is, is that, if you have that 4 person alliance, the biggest this is with votes. Once it's 3 people against one, the votes are a huge deal.. But votes are anonymous, so they could backstab us...
Brendon: What are your instincts telling you? Do you really think you can trust Kristen?
Rachel: I know. That's why I'm trying to talk it all out...
Brendon: Well, you don't have much time, 'cause what happens tomorrow can't be undone.
Rachel: I know. Don't worry.
Rachel breaks it down to votes. After this week, you only need 3... In the event that someone else outside the "alliance" wons HoH and puts the 2 of them up, then Hayden and Kristen "accidentally" don't win PoV, one of them goes home. Both of them see this happening.
Brendon: Here's what I keep thinking... What if they just don't fight as hard for HoH?
Brendon: And we're fighting our asses off.
Rachel: Right. Exactly.
Brendon: And then.. who are they still gunning for? They're still gunning for us.
Brendon: That's what I'm saying. I don't know if this is a good move.
Rachel: I don't know if it is either. Another thing... The reason I made such a strong point about a 4 person final four alliance is a. That means they're very desperate and they'll say anything.
Rachel: b. That means they're very desperate and easily manipulated.
Brendon: mm hmm
Rachel: So that means that if it's another situation where someone was like, well we're gonna put up you and Hayden or Rachel and Brendon, well, what are they gonna say?
As Rachel and Brendon continue hashing it out together, it becomes more and more clear to the both of them that this is very likely a raw deal...
Brendon: I think we're playing with fire with them.
Rachel: I think we're playing with fire with them too, and it's really, really early, Brendon, to say that you're gonna commit to a final 4 alliance...
This is ongoing... They continue talking for quite a while, and ultimately decide it's just too risky to put Kathy up, because Kristen must be evicted this week, and Kathy on the block doesn't guarantee that happening. Further, they surmise that Hayden and Kristen don't have a strong enough alliance even between the 2 of them - proven at the PoV comp - so how can Brendon and Rachel possibly trust them to be in an alliance with them?
Now.. to figure out how to talk Britney out of using the PoV... or is it too late?
This concludes the Overnight Report. It's going to be a BIG day in the BB12 house! Spark up the feeds and come along for the ride!
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